Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 8:10 pm  

Smiffy27 wrote:

It's certainly got peoples backs up who like getting their backs up. For others it doesn't mean much.
Move on.

I wonder how Dean felt? Publicly blamed then dropped.

Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 8:14 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

He may get a say but I don’t for one minute think he and he alone decides who we sign which seems to be what the diehard KF detractors seem to think.

I agree with you. He will have input and can probably veto. I would expect other board members to have the same powers.

However, I cannot imagine the idea of signing Greg Inglis or Luther Burrell originated with Price.

Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 8:14 pm  

20 mins probs are fine if they make a consistent sustained impact across that period. We have loads of long mins relatively low impact props so I’d welcome that sort of player.

Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 8:21 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Isn't a director of rugby just anorher person to blame when things go wrong though? Certainly here it would be, it adds more ambiguity.

True, that's a downside. Upside is continuity, wider perspective, focus.

I think the only thing we can say with reasonable certainty is that our recruitment process over the last 6 years or so has had mixed results. I am careful with my words as I don't want another telling off from Smiffy and we have signed the odd good player

Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 8:30 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

He may get a say but I don’t for one minute think he and he alone decides who we sign which seems to be what the diehard KF detractors seem to think.

Absolutely, I don’t believe for one second Fitzpatrick (or Draper / Gatcliffe) has signed someone without an ok from the coach, and similarly the coach wont have carte blanche to sign who he wants. KF has the overall say of course - the coach reports in to him ultimately and he has the club reputation and salary cap restraints to consider, but I’m sure Powell picks the names.

I’ve heard talk of a Director of Rugby position, but I don’t think you would attract a coach of any standing with someone else above them like that - it just doesn’t happen in RL.

I think the Johns signing came from Moran, but I’m sure Cullen would have had a say (not that you would ever say no!). Same for the likes of Burrell, he was a risk that had no impact on the salary cap, so why would Price have disagreed?

Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 9:14 pm  

DallasMead2 wrote:

Do you seriously not know what a CEO is RESPONSIBLE for in an organisation?

You obviously think you do know. So please show me anything approaching proof that KF as CEO is the sole or even main arbiter as to who is signed to play for the club.
I’m pretty sure that each organisation expects different things from its CEO rather than have a 1 size fits all approach, again if you can show me something to the contrary I would be extremely interested.

Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 10:04 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

I agree with you. He will have input and can probably veto. I would expect other board members to have the same powers.

However, I cannot imagine the idea of signing Greg Inglis or Luther Burrell originated with Price.

Which board members would they be?

Of Warrington Sports Holdings
Of Warrington Football Club
Of SJM Holding NW (person with significant control)

Maybe we’d be better off playing the board members

Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 10:28 pm  

Interesting that Middleton and Moran never seem to come under fire. Their wealth has been very much appreciated but their decision-making in the last few years must come into question.

If KF is such a bad CEO, surely two successful businessmen should have identified that a long time ago?

I'm not defending KF there, more making a point that there are probably several people who should take their share of the blame.

Re: Matt Dufty : Tue May 17, 2022 10:47 pm  

Superblue wrote:

Which board members would they be?

Of Warrington Sports Holdings
Of Warrington Football Club
Of SJM Holding NW (person with significant control)

Maybe we’d be better off playing the board members

The board of the entity that is party to the recruitment contracts.

There would be no stopping Broomhead from 10 yards out that's for sure. Just put a photo opportunity behind the try line and give him the ball.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Matt Dufty : Wed May 18, 2022 6:23 am  

Jack Napier wrote:

Interesting that Middleton and Moran never seem to come under fire. Their wealth has been very much appreciated but their decision-making in the last few years must come into question.

If KF is such a bad CEO, surely two successful businessmen should have identified that a long time ago?

I'm not defending KF there, more making a point that there are probably several people who should take their share of the blame.

Well, similar time line it could be argued that things have gone wonky since Middleton became chairman and a lot more involved....soooo...