Re: Clear out. : Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:24 pm  

CW8 wrote:

Does that leave the duck free to permanently join the wigan board? Or redvee?

Can they afford the duck

Re: Clear out. : Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:27 pm  

I think this ship will take longer to turn around and if we're backing Powell to do an overhaul and bring in his own people he has to be given time. This needs to be seen as a 4-5 year project. The danger is that the general goodwill which Powell has from the fans will dissipate next season if we struggle again especially as Powell himself has a tendency to moan about external factors and it will become a caricature that is used to beat him like TS "we trained well all week". If we jettison Powell too soon we'll just have another coach come in and have to rebuild again, except he'll have to wait till all Powell's signings come out of contract till he can make his mark on the squad.

I think we'll struggle to get a better coach than Powell, he has done well before despite not winning the Grand Final so far, so we have to go all in now. Take the rough with the smooth, like United did for all those early years under Alex Ferguson when it was two steps forward and one step back before they started winning. I'll be backing Powell when everyone is calling for his head next season.

Re: Clear out. : Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:52 pm  

[quote="sally cinnamon" I'll be backing Powell when everyone is calling for his head next season.[/quote]


Powell doesn't get carte blanche support from me just because he's new or he's transitioning the team. I do think he's got to be given time to get his system in place, however, if he loses the new dressing room that he's built and the commitment and performances of the team take a serious dive, he isn't free of scrutiny. He's identifying weaknesses and is making unpopular decisions which is part of strong management. (Mamo out, Cooper seemingly out, Hill out etc)

I was (and still am) a huge Tony Smith fan, but his last season with us was pretty gut wrenching, the effort wasn't there from the players, there was something rotten at the club that he ultimately had responsibility for. Most of us on here look back at the early Smith years with fondness and glee, despite the fact we didn't win a GF and I think, in part, it's because there was heart amongst the players. It could've also been that we were tosh for so many years prior.

Price didn't win a GF, won a CC and people wont look back fondly on him.

Re: Clear out. : Wed Jun 01, 2022 10:50 pm  

Powell is doing the right things in my opinion, He's moving on overrated underperforming and high wage players, and players that aren't buying in to his systems and goals. Next year is a big change and i'm all for it, new players, new culture and a fresh squad.
I hope we hit the ground running but with it being a lot of new players i expect a little bedding in period of 3-4 games. Powell has my full support this year and next. But like has been said, next year is Powells squad so i will be expecting a much improved team.

Re: Clear out. : Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:03 pm  

Or thane wrote:

Powell is doing the right things in my opinion, He's moving on overrated underperforming and high wage players, and players that aren't buying in to his systems and goals. Next year is a big change and i'm all for it, new players, new culture and a fresh squad.
I hope we hit the ground running but with it being a lot of new players i expect a little bedding in period of 3-4 games. Powell has my full support this year and next. But like has been said, next year is Powells squad so i will be expecting a much improved team.

Think this was the point I was trying to make, I still believe 2 seasons is enough to win the big show. I think the guys coming in for next season are the starting point of the new build which I then would hope we are massive contenders the following season

Re: Clear out. : Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:02 am  

karetaker wrote:

Think this was the point I was trying to make, I still believe 2 seasons is enough to win the big show. I think the guys coming in for next season are the starting point of the new build which I then would hope we are massive contenders the following season

Yeah i agreed with all you said mate

Re: Clear out. : Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:39 am  

karetaker wrote:

Think this was the point I was trying to make, I still believe 2 seasons is enough to win the big show. I think the guys coming in for next season are the starting point of the new build which I then would hope we are massive contenders the following season

I think we are a long way further than 2 seasons away from winning a Grand Final. We need far more quality bringing in across several positions.

My hope next year is that we can do what we did with Cullen in the final season in Wilderspool - restore some credibility and put a team out there that fights and plays up to their potential, even if they are still short on quality. Fight for a top 6 spot. Then reassess where we are but to start breaking into the top 2 or 3 teams we'll need some star quality recruits.

Re: Clear out. : Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:47 am  

Heard that we have offered Josh Charnley to Wakefield.

Looks like he has played his last game for Wire, with no way back into the fold.

Re: Clear out. : Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:00 am  

I do buy into this ‘long way off…2/3 or 4/5 seasons to get it right’ stuff. These are seasoned professionals and nobody forgets how to ride a bike.

DP has come to the club with the biggest clout in SL.
He already said himself he has the best spine in SL it not rugby.
He’s already got all his own outside backs with Peanut and Miinikin ( I know), you can argue Ashton and Wrench are his choice as he told he sees them as wingers and ousted Lineman and Charnley for them.
He has his own backrowers in the squad.
He has 4 of his own choice props in the squad.

This will arguably be a 90% DP team baring the injuries, and it shouldn’t be taking up to 5 years to get the 10% and get them playing in the ‘DP way.’ I expect that from game 1 in 2023…with no excuses.

This season we ought to be winning 90% of our games by August onwards, however I’m almost as sceptical of the coaching system as I am pack weight right now. I need to be won over.

Re: Clear out. : Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:05 am  

I agree with Duckie no team, given the current state of super league, is 4/5 seasons away. We could quite conceivably even win it this season. 4/5 seasons away from building a repetitive winning culture maybe.