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Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:10 am  
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It looks as though Toronto have run into problems as, due to the lockdown, several Australian and NZ players have over run their visas.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/53414894
Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:49 am  

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The whole thing is becoming a farce and quite frankly embarrassing.
Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:15 am  

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The amount of Bad press around them is unreal. From the year before when they entered super league, with not paying TV money and owing companys hundreds of thousands. To begging for dispensation saying they have no money then Signing Tony Gigot and now Kallum Watkins, and now this.
I was really excited to have Toronto in super league for expansion and a brand new team. But they seem an utter Shambles of a club and bring nothing but bad press to the game.
How does a proffessional club F this up so much, i was excited but now i'd be happy to see the back of them to be honest, which isn't a nice thing to say.
Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:28 am  
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From what I understand the Toronto players have been registered on 'competition visas' as they were expected to spend a fair amount of time in Canada. Unfortunately they got caught in the UK lockdown due to the pandemic and now have insufficient time left on their visas to complete an extended season. If correct, that seems to be a case of bad luck rather than incompetence.

Somebody in the RFL needs to pull a few strings with a sympathetic MP and get it sorted with the Home Office.
Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:04 am  

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Or thane wrote:
The amount of Bad press around them is unreal. From the year before when they entered super league, with not paying TV money and owing companys hundreds of thousands. To begging for dispensation saying they have no money then Signing Tony Gigot and now Kallum Watkins, and now this.
I was really excited to have Toronto in super league for expansion and a brand new team. But they seem an utter Shambles of a club and bring nothing but bad press to the game.
How does a proffessional club F this up so much, i was excited but now i'd be happy to see the back of them to be honest, which isn't a nice thing to say.


Why would they pay TV money or do you mean that they don't receive any TV money? If they don't receive any then presumably the other teams benefit same TV pie with less but bigger portions?

I'm not fully clued up with the facts on this or levels of debtors but as WO has stated the visa and COVID thing is bad luck and the problem should be engineered out by agreement rather than seen as an embarrassment

Whether I agree with them being in the Comp is another discussion but at least they've gained promotions to get there
Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:43 am  
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Winslade's Offload wrote:
Somebody in the RFL needs to pull a few strings with a sympathetic MP and get it sorted with the Home Office.


It would seem at first glance to be an easy solution, and there is a RL Group in Parliment, but I suspect that it sets a president so it may need to be a visa extension for all overseas workers or nothing. I don't know, just thinking outloud.
Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:01 pm  

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St Helens Wolf wrote:
It would seem at first glance to be an easy solution, and there is a RL Group in Parliment, but I suspect that it sets a president so it may need to be a visa extension for all overseas workers or nothing. I don't know, just thinking outloud.

Parliament is restricted to a handful of people and those debates are of importance. The perils of a Canadian RL team, would rank some way down Westminster’s pecking order at this time, I would guess.
They’re on there own, them and the incompetent RFL.
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Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:18 pm  

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Uncle Rico wrote:
Why would they pay TV money or do you mean that they don't receive any TV money? If they don't receive any then presumably the other teams benefit same TV pie with less but bigger portions?

I'm not fully clued up with the facts on this or levels of debtors but as WO has stated the visa and COVID thing is bad luck and the problem should be engineered out by agreement rather than seen as an embarrassment

Whether I agree with them being in the Comp is another discussion but at least they've gained promotions to get there

This was before super league matey, they sorted their own TV deal with a canadian company to show their games etc. They then reportedly owed around 300k to them and other business's, not too sure what the other companys were, and the reason they gave was oh we forgot to pay them.
And the players were complaining aswell about not getting paid and being paid weeks late etc, just really poor from them
I love the idea of Toronto and one of the people defending them but they're just letting the players down from my point of view. The players are doing what they can on the field, regardless of losing, but the club that is their structures just seems to constantly F things up.
And with the Visa situation they clearly had an idea they were going to be stuck here for a long time so should have done something earlier, unless they forgot again.
To be fair they may have done something about this months ago and the visa system, as we know isn't fast most of the time, could be the ones to blame. But all we see from an outside perspective is the club messed up yet again, it just looks really poor.
Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:44 pm  
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Parliament is restricted to a handful of people and those debates are of importance. The perils of a Canadian RL team, would rank some way down Westminster’s pecking order at this time, I would guess.
They’re on there own, them and the incompetent RFL.


The debate would go something like this:

"Will the Prime Minister commit to the government looking in to the visa problems that have put Toronto's season in jeopardy, through no fault of the players themselves?"

"My honourable friend is quite wrong, there are many overseas players at clubs throughout Super League who have visas that are valid through to the end of the season, it's about time that he starts to get behind the concept of the Toronto Wolfpack and believe in the great future of rugby league in Canada"
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Re: Toronto may not complete 2020 season Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:00 pm  

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This was before super league matey, they sorted their own TV deal with a canadian company to show their games etc. They then reportedly owed around 300k to them and other business's, not too sure what the other companys were, and the reason they gave was oh we forgot to pay them.
And the players were complaining aswell about not getting paid and being paid weeks late etc, just really poor from them
I love the idea of Toronto and one of the people defending them but they're just letting the players down from my point of view. The players are doing what they can on the field, regardless of losing, but the club that is their structures just seems to constantly F things up.
And with the Visa situation they clearly had an idea they were going to be stuck here for a long time so should have done something earlier, unless they forgot again.
To be fair they may have done something about this months ago and the visa system, as we know isn't fast most of the time, could be the ones to blame. But all we see from an outside perspective is the club messed up yet again, it just looks really poor.


As I said matey I'm not clued up on their debtors and wasn't responding directly on that point and I'm sorry but didn't get the TV deal reference in your post pre SL or not, but are you suggesting they paid a TV company for coverage of their games rather than vice versa?

My main point was that criticism on the Visa might be misplaced, we don't know the facts and according to an article in the Mirror TWP seem to have been told that the Home Office can't or wont deal with them directly and have asked the RFL to step in. Either way it shouldn't be that difficult to resolve IF we as a sport want them in our competition.
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