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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:26 am
Posted by ninearches on Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:26 am
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That's because Cooper & Hill are the only 2 props that can do 60/70 minutes. The overseas contingent are just 10 minute journeymen.
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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:29 am
Posted by Lord Tony Smith on Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:29 am
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ninearches wrote:
That's because Cooper & Hill are the only 2 props that can do 60/70 minutes. The overseas contingent are just 10 minute journeymen.

Correct however isn't that down to Price and pure neglect on his side that we don't have any adequate repalcements for Hill & Cooper? Everyone knew Tasi was a joke of a signing when it happened. Saints got rid cause he wasn't good enough for them so why are we signing players who wouldn't get in their team?
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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:35 am
Posted by Lord Tony Smith on Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:35 am
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Who releastically out of this squad is good enough? Ratchford, Lineham, Charnely, Austin, Hill, Clark and Cooper. Everybody else I'd say the jury is still out on for me and they can be easily replaced/upgraded.

1 Stefan Ratchford
2 Tom Lineham
3 Bryson Goodwin
4 Ryan Atkins
5 Josh Charnley
6 Blake Austin
7 Kevin Brown
8 Chris Hill
9 Daryl Clark
10 Mike Cooper
11 Ben Currie
12 Jack Hughes
13 Ben Murdoch-Masila
14 Jason Clark
15 Declan Patton
16 Lama Tasi
17 Joe Philbin
18 Toby King
19 Sitaleki Akauola
20 Harvey Livett
21 Danny Walker
22 Jake Mamo
23 Matt Davis
24 Jack Johnson
25 Luis Johnson
26 Pat Moran
29 Eribe Doro
30 Ellis Robson
34 Ben Westwood
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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:43 am
Posted by Winslade's Offload on Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:43 am
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The signs for Price have not looked good for a while, but this was a poor game to make any meaningful analysis. Players will be holding back for next weekend and Price pulled off Cooper and Hill quite early on presumably to save them for Hull.

Westwood I hear is currently injured.
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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:55 am
Posted by DAG on Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:55 am
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Atkins currently has a cast on his right wrist after an operation earlier this month. Before that he had a hamstring injury.

Not sure about Westwood, his performances weren't great early season but I'm sure he'd do better than Tasi.

I’ve heard the wrist issue could’ve waited until the off season. Even when fit it’s been clear that Price doesn’t fancy him and has preferred King over him.
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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:11 am
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Winslade's Offload wrote:
The signs for Price have not looked good for a while, but this was a poor game to make any meaningful analysis. Players will be holding back for next weekend and Price pulled off Cooper and Hill quite early on presumably to save them for Hull.

Westwood I hear is currently injured.

We’ve been garbage for a while now. I think anyone’s judgement or analysis is based on a lot more than just yesterday.

Even when winning we’ve been just above average and have been dragged through by the likes of Ratchford, Austin and Clark.

We look lost for ideas at the moment and lack any direction. Our discipline and ball handling are shocking and we’re showing no signs of improvement.

On the whole we’ve made no progress from last season and over the last month or so we’re going backwards at a rapid rate. As a group we look like we’re playing with an attitude and a bad one at that.

We can turn it round, winning Saturday will go a long way to putting a few things right, but if not, there’s a few very worrying signs for me.
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Lord Tony Smith wrote:
Correct however isn't that down to Price and pure neglect on his side that we don't have any adequate repalcements for Hill & Cooper? Everyone knew Tasi was a joke of a signing when it happened. Saints got rid cause he wasn't good enough for them so why are we signing players who wouldn't get in their team?


To a degree but you think that we can just go and rip up contracts and make players come here.


Weve not been an attractive prospect to new big signings since we won a few cups but we did not push on or our recruitment did not take u s to the next level.

Im also not convinced that price is in 100 control of signings too
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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:29 am
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Our recruitment post Tony Smith has been as bad as it was when he was in charge. Smith got a lot of stick for his recruitment during the latter stages of his tenure and rightly so, but the fact our recruitment is still poor indicates to me that the issues recruitment wise run deeper within the club than just the Head Coach.
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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:34 am
Posted by Lord Tony Smith on Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:34 am
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Dezzies_right_hook wrote:
To a degree but you think that we can just go and rip up contracts and make players come here.


Weve not been an attractive prospect to new big signings since we won a few cups but we did not push on or our recruitment did not take u s to the next level.

Im also not convinced that price is in 100 control of signings too

Not ripping up contracts but why sign players lie Tasi when we've previously signed Johnson to then loan him out? I know who I'd rather have.

You look at Bullock at Wigan - why wasn't we in for him over Tasi?

Price probably isn't but Fitzpatrick has a lot to answer for as well IMO. He may talk a good game but not much else.
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Post Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:38 am
Posted by Lord Tony Smith on Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:38 am
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DAG wrote:
Our recruitment post Tony Smith has been as bad as it was when he was in charge. Smith got a lot of stick for his recruitment during the latter stages of his tenure and rightly so, but the fact our recruitment is still poor indicates to me that the issues recruitment wise run deeper within the club than just the Head Coach.

Agreed. The problems lie deeper than Price and changes need to happen at the top. The acceptance of medicority at the club has been unacceptable. No trophy won in almost a decade, lots of cash wasted, recreuitment disastorous, promotion from the academy non exsistant. Compare that to how Saints are operating - it's polar opposite.
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