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Re: Kallum Watkins.
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:48 pm
Posted by easyWire on Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:48 pm
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Perhaps Sir Kev recons KW is the nucleus if his 'rot' in the club.


THere's a lot of noise coming from Sinfield about lots of things, but I find it strange that Watkins was given the Captaincy at the start of 2019 if the club think he isn't 100% committed to Leeds. The first thing I'd do in that case is give it to Dwyer or one of the few other Leeds players that looks at least half-committed to pulling the club out of the mire.

At 28, Watkins has years left in him so I hope he can recapture his form.
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Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:12 pm
Posted by Fantastic Mr Catpiss on Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:12 pm
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easyWire wrote:
THere's a lot of noise coming from Sinfield about lots of things, but I find it strange that Watkins was given the Captaincy at the start of 2019 if the club think he isn't 100% committed to Leeds. The first thing I'd do in that case is give it to Dwyer or one of the few other Leeds players that looks at least half-committed to pulling the club out of the mire.

At 28, Watkins has years left in him so I hope he can recapture his form.



Please, i'd love it if they gave it to dwyer, headingly would implode.
Re: Kallum Watkins.
Post Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:35 pm
Posted by LeedsTiger on Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:35 pm
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Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:
Please, i'd love it if they gave it to dwyer, headingly would implode.


Why would it implode?
Re: Kallum Watkins.
Post Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:48 pm
Posted by Superblue on Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:48 pm
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He’s got the pedigree for sure, but we’re gonna end up like emergency ward 10 with all these crocks on board
Ratchford
Currie
Brown
Watkins
Johnson

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Re: Kallum Watkins.
Post Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:34 am
Posted by rubber duckie on Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:34 am
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Superblue wrote:
He’s got the pedigree for sure, but we’re gonna end up like emergency ward 10 with all these crocks on board
Ratchford
Currie
Brown
Watkins
Johnson

“Calling Nurse Roberts” :D

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Re: Kallum Watkins.
Post Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:42 am
Posted by Brodie123 on Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:42 am
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Alffi_7 wrote:
Not so sure about that. Yes they haven’t been getting their value out of him for a couple of years now, but they are essentially going back on a promise they made to him about terms and conditions - he was supposed to have been promised a salary uplift from 2020.

I’d imagine the morale round the place isn’t great anyway, but to know the club you play for are going back on promises made to its players - it’s captain and senior player of 11 years at that, surely won’t do much good to the atmosphere over there, or do them many favours reputation wise in the player market.


He has had a shocking season to date. I watch them every game and the last injury has left him with little or no pace. Candidly he isn't fit, he seems to have lost too much weight and his confidence is shot. If he has asked for a pay rise then its his own fault.
You cannot keep increasing pay to under performers in your team. This may sound harsh but he doesn't even deserve to be in the team. I really hope he gets back to full fitness, but he should be no where near the team at the moment. With the return of reserve grade rugby next year he may have been better advised to keep Mum, got back to full fitness in the reserves and if what has been said is true, then once he was back to his true form he then ask for a pay rise. Underperformers do not ask for pay rises.
Surely even if he had been made a promise by the club, you don't ask for something if you don't deserve it. I hate to say this because he is a good lad, but he simply has not performed and if a captain leads by example, he is no example to follow.
Re: Kallum Watkins.
Post Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:09 pm
Posted by Alffi_7 on Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:09 pm
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Brodie123 wrote:
He has had a shocking season to date. I watch them every game and the last injury has left him with little or no pace. Candidly he isn't fit, he seems to have lost too much weight and his confidence is shot. If he has asked for a pay rise then its his own fault.
You cannot keep increasing pay to under performers in your team. This may sound harsh but he doesn't even deserve to be in the team. I really hope he gets back to full fitness, but he should be no where near the team at the moment. With the return of reserve grade rugby next year he may have been better advised to keep Mum, got back to full fitness in the reserves and if what has been said is true, then once he was back to his true form he then ask for a pay rise. Underperformers do not ask for pay rises.
Surely even if he had been made a promise by the club, you don't ask for something if you don't deserve it. I hate to say this because he is a good lad, but he simply has not performed and if a captain leads by example, he is no example to follow.


I haven't commented on his value for money - I'll leave that to Leeds fans, I presume you are one?

Its a difficult situation for the club and not an easy decision to have to make. Fact is though they promised him a pay rise, and now they are telling him he isn't getting one. Watkins will feel betrayed by that I'm sure and my comment really was around how that would affect the club in terms of the intangibles.

I think it could well work out well for Watkins in the long run, he strikes me as a player who needs to be in a good head space to perform well, similar to Tyrone Roberts for us last year I guess, so the move could do him some good.
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Post Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:41 pm
Posted by Brodie123 on Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:41 pm
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I do agree with a lot of the comments on here, but once a centre loses any pace you start to become less important to the team. There was talk about him going in the back row but he is not big enough, and playing him centre its going to upset the young lad who is trying to take his place. He never has been the biggest of players, so to lose pace will not help him. If they promised him a pay rise common sense would have told him to keep Mum but taking the money and not performing would have only put more pressure on him. I do wish the lad well, but at the moment he would be hard pressed to hold down a place in the championship.
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Post Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:55 pm
Posted by Builth Wells Wire on Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:55 pm
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No doubt Watkins will still be in the Great Britain squad along with Currie.
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Post Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:09 pm
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