Mike Cooper podcast : Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:02 pm  

Some interesting comments about Powell, culture, and our social media messaging goading Wigan. I skipped to 45 mins from the end. Apparently Wire's shortlist panel was Wane and Powell.... His comments on Wigan culture explain a lot of the differences between us and them. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/t ... 0677310125

Some interesting comments about Powell, culture, and our social media messaging goading Wigan. I skipped to 45 mins from the end. Apparently Wire's shortlist panel was Wane and Powell.... His comments on Wigan culture explain a lot of the differences between us and them. https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/t ... 0677310125

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Wed Nov 27, 2024 1:08 pm  

Yes. Heard it last week.
Nice how he always referred to “we” as Warrington. And Wigan as Wigan.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Thu Nov 28, 2024 9:57 am  

I think the club has a lot of growing up to do in terms of professionalism i.e. getting past the silly social media ploys. That stuff was for when we were small time 20 years ago.

Regarding the Powell-era, I'm really surprised that it became so toxic. The big mantra was leadership and humility, but it doesn't sound very inspiring. Humility is something that Powell should be able to inspire in a group. Sounds like he dictated by punishment. Shame, because the soundbites from the training videos were really good.

The goal of Burgess is the same as Powell, but If I had to describe the difference between the two, it would be that Powell's approach is "I'll tell you what to do", and Burgess' approach is "Let me show you how we do it".

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:29 am  

I'd heard that Powell used to call the local lads 'The Cheshire Set' and would infer that they were soft and this was the reason why we weren't successful. Sounds like that really hit the spot with Coops.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Thu Nov 28, 2024 12:23 pm  

easyWire wrote: I think the club has a lot of growing up to do in terms of professionalism i.e. getting past the silly social media ploys. That stuff was for when we were small time 20 years ago. Hear hear. Remember the bill boards of we are going to smash the Pies or something? Oh yes 'The Big Pie Smash’. https://youtu.be/oYhWV97i8TA We got beat 28-0. Wigan coach Shaun Wane said: “I thank the Warrington marketing department for doing my job for me. A few of the players thought it was a bit disrespectful.” I wonder if this was a Fitzpatrick initiative ...

easyWire wrote: I think the club has a lot of growing up to do in terms of professionalism i.e. getting past the silly social media ploys. That stuff was for when we were small time 20 years ago. Hear hear. Remember the bill boards of we are going to smash the Pies or something? Oh yes 'The Big Pie Smash’. https://youtu.be/oYhWV97i8TA We got beat 28-0. Wigan coach Shaun Wane said: “I thank the Warrington marketing department for doing my job for me. A few of the players thought it was a bit disrespectful.” I wonder if this was a Fitzpatrick initiative ...

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:15 pm  

Wires71 wrote: Hear hear. Remember the bill boards of we are going to smash the Pies or something? Oh yes 'The Big Pie Smash’. https://youtu.be/oYhWV97i8TA We got beat 28-0. Wigan coach Shaun Wane said: “I thank the Warrington marketing department for doing my job for me. A few of the players thought it was a bit disrespectful.” I wonder if this was a Fitzpatrick initiative ... That’s was corny and a hard watch to see it again.

Wires71 wrote: Hear hear. Remember the bill boards of we are going to smash the Pies or something? Oh yes 'The Big Pie Smash’. https://youtu.be/oYhWV97i8TA We got beat 28-0. Wigan coach Shaun Wane said: “I thank the Warrington marketing department for doing my job for me. A few of the players thought it was a bit disrespectful.” I wonder if this was a Fitzpatrick initiative ... That’s was corny and a hard watch to see it again.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:47 am  

Interesting listen, thanks for sharing. Some really interesting stuff around the comparisons of Wigan & Warrington - none of them surprising. Also amused by the irony of ‘Its Wire DNA’ marketing push in 2023 when it’s clear Powell had ripped out the DNA of the club!

This for me is where Chambers’ role is so important, coaches will come and go - even successful ones have a limited shelf life. What’s important is that the fundamentals of the club aren’t ripped up when new coaches come in. Of course structures and processes evolve over time, but it’s Chambers job to make sure the changes ‘fit’ in with the club. I hope we don’t (but expect we will) get calls for ‘Chambers Out!’ as soon as we hit a bad patch of form and people are calling for the coaches head ‘what does he do anyway?’

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:48 pm  

Alffi_7 wrote:

This for me is where Chambers’ role is so important, coaches will come and go - even successful ones have a limited shelf life. What’s important is that the fundamentals of the club aren’t ripped up when new coaches come in. Of course structures and processes evolve over time, but it’s Chambers job to make sure the changes ‘fit’ in with the club. I hope we don’t (but expect we will) get calls for ‘Chambers Out!’ as soon as we hit a bad patch of form and people are calling for the coaches head ‘what does he do anyway?’

Chambers' role as DoR is important to ensure this consistency. My only concern of the appointment is that I would have preferred someone who had succeeded at the very top of the game professionally (knew what it takes to win the big prizes and had done it) and had an international profile to help with recruitment. We will see if he can help bridge the culture gap to Wigan.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Fri Nov 29, 2024 1:15 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

Chambers' role as DoR is important to ensure this consistency. My only concern of the appointment is that I would have preferred someone who had succeeded at the very top of the game professionally (knew what it takes to win the big prizes and had done it) and had an international profile to help with recruitment. We will see if he can help bridge the culture gap to Wigan.

I really liked the Chambers appointment. I'd heard him speaking about rugby before & knew his undoubted love of the Wire. Any outsider was, in my view, more of a risk. I think we have a very high profile coach which ought to help with recruitment ... though I think money usually talks. Chambers has been in post for a while now. If we just judge by results he's done OK ... just think what position we were in when he was appointed. He was a good call. Everyone is striving to be like Wigan ... and most are miles off.

Re: Mike Cooper podcast : Fri Nov 29, 2024 1:28 pm  

Smiffy27 wrote:

I really liked the Chambers appointment. I'd heard him speaking about rugby before & knew his undoubted love of the Wire. Any outsider was, in my view, more of a risk. I think we have a very high profile coach which ought to help with recruitment ... though I think money usually talks. Chambers has been in post for a while now. If we just judge by results he's done OK ... just think what position we were in when he was appointed. He was a good call. Everyone is striving to be like Wigan ... and most are miles off.

Yes fair enough. Time will tell if it bears fruit.

So long as we are hard to beat and play with guts and determination to the end of the game the DNA will be restored.