Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:26 pm  

Put it this way we've done our shopping at Netto this year, lets see if Tim can polish poop.

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:01 pm  

symptoms are more apparent and tend to be more severe during the close season. All gone a bit John Laurie around here , if Logan is ' slow 'be thankful we didn't re-sign Stuart Howarth, tectonic plates & glaciers could out-pace him. Of the players announced so far I wouldn't say Netto, I think more TS Maxx with Vidot , Carney, Lui, Murdoch Masila, Kopczak. Of the signings Phil Joseph is the only that I find questionable.

symptoms are more apparent and tend to be more severe during the close season. All gone a bit John Laurie around here , if Logan is ' slow 'be thankful we didn't re-sign Stuart Howarth, tectonic plates & glaciers could out-pace him. Of the players announced so far I wouldn't say Netto, I think more TS Maxx with Vidot , Carney, Lui, Murdoch Masila, Kopczak. Of the signings Phil Joseph is the only that I find questionable.

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:04 pm  

Quite agree middleman, some people are over exaggerating when it comes to rating our signings. Tomkins whilst no world beater, is still a good player. As you say, Carney, Vidot, Lui, Kopczak and Murdoch-Masila are all very good signings.

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:20 pm  

I've listed our squad, and rated them accordingly to other super league club players. On paper its worrying in my opinion. Our recruitment hasn't improved the outgoings. I doubt any of our players would get in any other Superleague team apart from Evalds, Vidot, and Carney.Kopczac borderline

1. Evalds proven quality IMPROVING talent
2. Vidot Proven quality BJB outgoing ( IMPROVEMENT )
3. Griffin - Borderline superleague quality ( STAGNANT )
4. Sau - Borderline superleague quality ( STAGNANT )
5. Carney Proven quality Replaces Johnson ( IMPROVEMENT )
6. O'Brien- Something to prove Chase outgoing ( DECLINE )
7. Dobson Bottom 4 quality ( STAGNANT )
8. Kopzac- Average Morley outgoing ( STAGNANT )
9.-Lee Tomkins- Lee Average, Tomkins - Borderline superleague quality ( STAGNANT )
10. BMM - Something to prove not played much NRL last year.Taylor outgoing (DECLINE)
11. Hauraki - Average (STAGNANT )
12. - Flanagan Average Paterson outgoing ( DECLINE )
13. - Krasniqi - Championship player Hansen outgoing ( DECLINE )
14. - Lui - queensland cup player something to prove
15. - Joseph Championship quality Tasi outgoing (DECLINE )
16. - Walnut Brothers - Championship quality ( STAGNANT )
17. - Forster - Championship quality ( STAGNANT)
18.- MCB - Something to prove Borderline superleague quality ( STAGNANT )
19. - Johnson Average ( STAGNANT )
20. Haggerty - something to prove unknown Matua outgoing ( DECLINE )
21. - Griffin Borderline superleague player ( STAGNANT

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:59 pm  

Salford had a better squad on paper last season but acheived nothing.No team spirit till Rangi left.This season looks like Tim has gone for players that have heart and mostly team spirit.For team spirit is the no1 priority of any team.Look at Leicester City not one player would get in Chelsea or Man Citys side but are top of the premiership.

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:50 pm  

when the Dr & Brian were assembling their Team of all talents in 2014 -

Powell /Orr only had these:-
Ashley Gibson, Lee Jewitt , Liam Finn Scott Wheeldon , Ryan Boyle, Marc Sneyd, Frankie Mariano , Oliver Holmes , Michael Channing , Jamie Ellis
Supposed cast offs from Salford , Leigh, Wakey & Featherstone. yet they ended the season 4th with a cup final appearance.

they then lost Clarke - Sneyd - Huby and Hauraki & replaced them with Squad NRL players - ( Roberts - Solomona) & a scrum half from a relegated side ( Gale ) and repeated the trick ..
I guess the moral is a team is always more than the sum of its parts. lets hope they're building a team .

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:07 pm  

fax-boys wrote:

Salford had a better squad on paper last season but acheived nothing.No team spirit till Rangi left.This season looks like Tim has gone for players that have heart and mostly team spirit.For team spirit is the no1 priority of any team.Look at Leicester City not one player would get in Chelsea or Man Citys side but are top of the premiership.

Football is a different kettle of fish. Lower division sides regular beat teams in higher positions in the FA Cup. This doesn't happen in RL anymore.

Admittedly team spirit is key howwer Sheens only knows Vidot, BMM Carney and Lui the rest are Watsons signings, so to say Sheens has picked hearty players only amounts to 4.

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:53 pm  

I've been supportive of the decisions the management team have made thus far, it's obvious we are avoiding fancy dans and aiming for a greater team spirt and better work ethic, I even think that Joseph will be a good signing for a year.

I just though can't see Tomkins giving us anything going forward, more and more in modern RL the hooker is a 3rd half back who can unlock a defence going forward (as much with the pass as scoot) but can also put in some massive telling hit, unfortunately I can't see Tomkins doing either anything better than steadily.

We have a massive back line who should score a hatful, what we need if for the team to be put onto the front foot to help them dominate and I honestly thought that hood was ready made too step up and make a name for himself. I only hope he does in Australia and comes back a better player and comes back to Salford.

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:30 pm  

Hillbilly_Red wrote:

Alker was given the chance and regretted not taking it.

Alker was given the chance and we ended up regretting him not taking it.

We've got a very average squad for 2016 on paper, but lets see what they can do on the pitch before making too many judgements. I would say though that I am not overly convinced by the argument that Sheens is some sort of saviour. Manager of the Aussie national team is the easiest job in RL... you've got the best team in the World at your disposal, they only play a couple of times a year and even when they do, nobody in your own country really cares if you lose. I don't think this automatically translates into some sort of club level coaching genius in 2015... besides which, he's not even the HC.

Re: Logan Tomkins. : Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:48 am  

It was Sheens 28 years as club coach, numerous preliminary semi final appearnces & 4 grand final wkns that got him the gig as national coach. Notable for reforming under performing sides.
He, s not head coach he's an encyclopedia.