TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

St Helens will win the grand final though. Its nailed on. Had they been at full strength they would have put about 50 on that wigan team. Wigans full back is an absolute liability in defense. Bar the lucky tackle on Hurrell when he just closed his eyes and hoped for the best he was at fault for every saints try

You sir are a thing of beauty.
Just keep on giving please.

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

St Helens will win the grand final though. Its nailed on. Had they been at full strength they would have put about 50 on that wigan team. Wigans full back is an absolute liability in defense. Bar the lucky tackle on Hurrell when he just closed his eyes and hoped for the best he was at fault for every saints try

Who do you support though mate?

DallasMead2 wrote:

Who do you support though mate?

Husband and 13 kids

reffy wrote:

Husband and 13 kids

They’re all related in Saint Helens anyway so it’s one big happy family.

Judder Man wrote:

I think you confusing arrogance with expectations and fact. Its something like Saints 23 finals with 70% success, Leeds 20 finals with 60% success, Wigan 17 finals with 47%.

The most important thing is that Saints have been competitive for around 23 out of the 26 seasons of superleague, whilst the likes of Bradford, Wigan amd Leeds have had much longer periods of low points. Being competitive nearly every season give saints fans high expections other opposition fans see it as arrogance at times.

Which competitions finals are you referring to here? You’re not scrubbing the whole history of the game prior to 1996 away are you?

NickyKiss wrote:

Which competitions finals are you referring to here? You’re not scrubbing the whole history of the game prior to 1996 away are you?

Of course he is as you and others know that Wigan have won more trophies etc than stains over the history of the game.

NickyKiss wrote:

Which competitions finals are you referring to here? You’re not scrubbing the whole history of the game prior to 1996 away are you?

Obviously I,m talking about when it was a somewhat level playing field and all teams were full time professional. Couldn’t include the era when one particular team collapsed into the 2nd division then went full time pro and bought all the best players whilst other clubs were competing with part time players. That era was basically a one team competition and not a good comparative.

I,m pretty sure we didn’t have Grand Finals pre 1996 as a comparative either, that comparative would be the LLS.

Don’t forget that this one particular team pretty much won sod all for 25 years prior to them going full time, it was your Hull KR, Wakefield and Widnes who were kings in that particular part time era.

Judder Man wrote:

Obviously I,m talking about when it was a somewhat level playing field and all teams were full time professional. Couldn’t include the era when one particular team collapsed into the 2nd division then went full time pro and bought all the best players whilst other clubs were competing with part time players. That era was basically a one team competition and not a good comparative.

I,m pretty sure we didn’t have Grand Finals pre 1996 as a comparative either, that comparative would be the LLS.

Don’t forget that this one particular team pretty much won sod all for 25 years prior to them going full time, it was your Hull KR, Wakefield and Widnes who were kings in that particular part time era.

Cant believe you are telling that lie about Wigan being pro it was 1993/94 and then I believe Leeds went pro 94.
Before 93 how many trophies had Wigan won in that era the one when we beat Stains 27-0 and then beat them again 13-6 (could be wrong on that score) a couple of years later,the one were you lot paid for O,conner and Vautin to fly over from Australia to play in the Challenge cup final and you still lost.

Jason65 wrote:

Cant believe you are telling that lie about Wigan being pro it was 1993/94 and then I believe Leeds went pro 94.
Before 93 how many trophies had Wigan won in that era the one when we beat Stains 27-0 and then beat them again 13-6 (could be wrong on that score) a couple of years later,the one were you lot paid for O,conner and Vautin to fly over from Australia to play in the Challenge cup final and you still lost.

You are not including the Uncle Mo brown envelopes, the more I think about this the late 80’s and early 90’s should be called the “Bought Success Era’ eventually it took a heavy toll the club almost going bust, selling their home and playing second fiddle to Wigan Athletic for a couple of years.