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Re: Players and vaccination Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:17 pm  
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Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:17 pm  

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All but 1 Wigan player is vaccinated according to Ian Lenagan.
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Re: Players and vaccination Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:33 am  
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Sun Jan 23, 2022 9:33 am  

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I think it will resolve itself, hopefully before too long. Do you not think the justification for mandatory vaccination is waning greatly if not entirely gone now? I totally understood the logic before Omicron, but not now. It's so good at getting past the vaccines to infect people that having the vaccine or not really doesn't impact anyone other than the person themselves. The necessity to take it to protect others really isn't there any more.

Clubs need to be careful with this, especially the clubs in the UK. It is not mandatory to have the vaccines to work here. There is definitely the potential for clubs who base contract decisions on vaccination status to be sued by the players for discrimination. I guess what happens in April with the 80,000 unvaccinated NHS staff will tell us a lot. If they go through with it then perhaps clubs will be able to. But if they call that off, it's hard to see how rugby clubs will get away with doing it.



You appear very limited in your understanding of this pandemic. You do realise variants in the future are not guaranteed to be weaker, but guaranteed to be different as different variants evolve. 85/90% of people putting unnecessary pressure on the NHS are the UNVACCINATED. 96% of all NHS staff are fully vaccinated leaving 40,000 anti vaxers/ vaxine hesitant which is a far greater uptake than the UK population. There are already many organisations and firms in the country making vaccine jabs compulsory or you find work elsewhere.. IMO, R.L clubs would be well within their rights to penalise any player who is unable to fulfil his contract, and contracts mean being able to perform your job if fit whenever and wherever it is played.
Re: Players and vaccination Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:17 pm  
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REVENUE wrote:
. IMO, R.L clubs would be well within their rights to penalise any player who is unable to fulfil his contract, and contracts mean being able to perform your job if fit whenever and wherever it is played.

Governments have been loathe to throw down the gauntlet to the plethora of legal challenges mandates will bring. It may be an unpopular tactic, but I believe vaccine passports are the best way to encourage participation. If you don't have a pass you can't visit bars, cafes, restaurants, pools, gymnasiums, theatres, cinemas, sporting events, and a load of other day to day leisure activities. Also, if you are.on any form of benefit from the state, then you may face cuts.
It's not about government overreach here, it is about getting out of this pandemic as quickly as we can.
If you have no passport then it is a government mandate and not a business owner. An emergency law could be negotiated through both houses quite quickly so long as it has a time-line of say 18 months. Yes, it will be challenged legally, but taking on the government is not as easy as taking on a single business owner.
NZ stands at 95% double jabbed......we have 250,000 holding us back, but those people are now essentially social outcasts......omicron is here now and we are bracing for cases, deaths and hospitalisations on a bigger scale than we've ever seen, but all but 250,000 of us are better protected from serious illness and death. Currently we have 1 person in hospital and 407 cases in the community self isolating.....this will explode in the next few weeks but measures taken in the last 2 years mean we have only had 52 deaths and of those, 4 were fully vaxed, 3 were partially vaxed and 45 were not vaccinated.
So basically 15% vaxed, 85% unvaxxed........as of yesterday 8,910,000 vaccinations have been administered here....we have had 1....that's ONE death as a result of vaccination.......
As I say, unpopular, but vaccine passports with a government mandate works!
Re: Players and vaccination Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:02 pm  
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Saddened! wrote:
I think it will resolve itself, hopefully before too long. Do you not think the justification for mandatory vaccination is waning greatly if not entirely gone now? I totally understood the logic before Omicron, but not now. It's so good at getting past the vaccines to infect people that having the vaccine or not really doesn't impact anyone other than the person themselves. The necessity to take it to protect others really isn't there any more.

Clubs need to be careful with this, especially the clubs in the UK. It is not mandatory to have the vaccines to work here. There is definitely the potential for clubs who base contract decisions on vaccination status to be sued by the players for discrimination. I guess what happens in April with the 80,000 unvaccinated NHS staff will tell us a lot. If they go through with it then perhaps clubs will be able to. But if they call that off, it's hard to see how rugby clubs will get away with doing it.


I've just read through this thread jeez - You don't half speak with some authority whilst knowing absolutely nothing.
Currently if a requirement of your job role requires you to be vaccinated to enter another country then your contract CAN stipulate that you must be vaccinated. (that's not just Covid!)
In this case clubs would be within their rights to mandate the vaccination as a stipulation of the contract agreement as otherwise they would be unable to fulfil that contract and play in France. It would be up to the club to decide whether they would make that stipulation or not. So no discrimination.
I myself have had a job working with blood products and a stipulation of my contract was I had to have certain vaccinations before I could take up that role. Perfectly legal.
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Re: Players and vaccination Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:32 pm  
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I've just read through this thread jeez - You don't half speak with some authority whilst knowing absolutely nothing.
Currently if a requirement of your job role requires you to be vaccinated to enter another country then your contract CAN stipulate that you must be vaccinated. (that's not just Covid!)
In this case clubs would be within their rights to mandate the vaccination as a stipulation of the contract agreement as otherwise they would be unable to fulfil that contract and play in France. It would be up to the club to decide whether they would make that stipulation or not. So no discrimination.
I myself have had a job working with blood products and a stipulation of my contract was I had to have certain vaccinations before I could take up that role. Perfectly legal.


Another poster who just gets on the high horse and vents because my opinion is different to their own. I didn't speak with any authority at all if you actually read it.

All I did was say there is little justification for mandating vaccines right now. That's an opinion, you can disagree with it. The 'protect others' element, which was the main reason for a lot of people taking the vaccine and supporting manadtory vaccines, has gone out of the window now to a large extent.

The other bits about clubs being careful is also perfectly valid. You may be an expert in employment law like all the people on this thread, fine. I don't mind being wrong on that. But as those SL contracts you talk about likely did not contain anything about covid or vaccination status, I suggested clubs need to be careful on this. The last thing Super League needs is the clubs exposing themselves to potential damages based on a moral standpoint over a vaccine. I didn't declare they couldn't do it or would lose in a potential court case, just suggested they be careful. If for example clubs mandate their players have to be vaccinated and sack three or four, then the laws on vaccines in France change because of the changing picture of covid before that club plays in France, it could get messy. Potentially. There are no legal requirements to be vaccinated in the UK, so it looks exposed to scrutiny if a club decides a players future based on it.
Re: Players and vaccination Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:40 pm  
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I doubt any UK based non vaccinated players will be sacked, however they may find they don't get their contracts renewed or find fewer clubs wanting to sign them if they become free agents.
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Re: Players and vaccination Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:01 pm  
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Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:01 pm  

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Saddened! wrote:
Another poster who just gets on the high horse and vents because my opinion is different to their own. I didn't speak with any authority at all if you actually read it.

All I did was say there is little justification for mandating vaccines right now.



no that's not 'all you said' you also said
"There is definitely the potential for clubs who base contract decisions on vaccination status to be sued by the players for discrimination".

hence my comment about contracts.
you cant just change it when you get found out to be talking twaddle.
You can of course have, and voice, whatever opinion you want about whether you think its right or wrong. But an opinion isn't what you were giving.
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Re: Players and vaccination Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:23 pm  
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jools wrote:
no that's not 'all you said' you also said
"There is definitely the potential for clubs who base contract decisions on vaccination status to be sued by the players for discrimination".

hence my comment about contracts.
you cant just change it when you get found out to be talking twaddle.
You can of course have, and voice, whatever opinion you want about whether you think its right or wrong. But an opinion isn't what you were giving.


Do you know what potential means? Also, you don't know if it's twaddle though do you? You are just taking the opposite opinion. There was a discussion on the radio last night about how Premier League clubs are now including covid protocol and vaccine related clauses in contracts now. They were talking about how it might impact tennis and if tournaments and governing bodies could do it to avoid a Djokovic repeat. Why would PL clubs start doing that if it didn't add a layer of protection or at least clarify expectations re contracts to players? If they had free reign to do whatever they wanted, as you make out, why would they bother? A similar issue (Health care staff in the US being mandated to be vaccinated in order to work) is in court in America now. It'll definitely be looked at if someone tells a player they aren't getting a contract or are being released because of their vaccination status.
Re: Players and vaccination Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:42 pm  
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I doubt any UK based non vaccinated players will be sacked, however they may find they don't get their contracts renewed or find fewer clubs wanting to sign them if they become free agents.

true and they wouldn't be able to call it discrimination as they haven't got a contract
Re: Players and vaccination Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:38 am  
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Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:38 am  

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I doubt any UK based non vaccinated players will be sacked, however they may find they don't get their contracts renewed or find fewer clubs wanting to sign them if they become free agents.


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