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orangeman wrote:
If a player is unvaccinated then they and their club and their fans have nobody to blame but the player themselves. There is no scientific or logical reason for avoiding the jab......it's just petulance and misplaced arrogance.
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Jack Burton wrote:
Carter not happy about the vaccination rules in France potentially stopping unvaccinated players/people entering the country. It's understandable that he's frustrated that he potentially won't have 6 players available in France, but it's only 2 games, so just get on with it.
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Don 76 wrote:
Going to be interesting once contracts start to get renewed
Personally I would not want Leeds signing any new players if I thought they couldn't play in the French games
I think it will resolve itself, hopefully before too long. Do you not think the justification for mandatory vaccination is waning greatly if not entirely gone now? I totally understood the logic before Omicron, but not now. It's so good at getting past the vaccines to infect people that having the vaccine or not really doesn't impact anyone other than the person themselves. The necessity to take it to protect others really isn't there any more.
Clubs need to be careful with this, especially the clubs in the UK. It is not mandatory to have the vaccines to work here. There is definitely the potential for clubs who base contract decisions on vaccination status to be sued by the players for discrimination. I guess what happens in April with the 80,000 unvaccinated NHS staff will tell us a lot. If they go through with it then perhaps clubs will be able to. But if they call that off, it's hard to see how rugby clubs will get away with doing it.
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Jack Burton wrote:
Carter not happy about the vaccination rules in France potentially stopping unvaccinated players/people entering the country. It's understandable that he's frustrated that he potentially won't have 6 players available in France, but it's only 2 games, so just get on with it.
The point that Carter was making was, what happens if this situation changes part way through the season, which given the fast changing nature of covid, anything is possible. France could well relax their vaccination rules, thus allowing clubs that travel later in the season to be treated differently to those who have games over there in the first couple of months. FWIW, players should be vaccinated but, I get his point about potentially having the goalposts moved as we progress through the season.
Equally, RL on both sides of the channel will have to follow the rules of the day, which may change overnight.
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wrencat1873 wrote:
The point that Carter was making was, what happens if this situation changes part way through the season, which given the fast changing nature of covid, anything is possible. France could well relax their vaccination rules, thus allowing clubs that travel later in the season to be treated differently to those who have games over there in the first couple of months. FWIW, players should be vaccinated but, I get his point about potentially having the goalposts moved as we progress through the season.
Equally, RL on both sides of the channel will have to follow the rules of the day, which may change overnight.
Could this skew the competition ?
Maybe, but there is nothing the competition can do about the whims of the French government. The whole situation is in the hands of 1) politicians and 2) the players who refuse the vaccine.
It's worth remembering that those most affected by this are the French clubs, as any unvaccinated players cannot even enter the training ground. Effectively: no jab,no job. Unless the rules change, they can no longer employ an unvaccinated adult.
If there are no nasty twists in the tail, I suspect such restrictions will no longer be necessary by next season. But for now, looks like some teams are going to pay a price for the choices of some of their players.
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JonB95 wrote:
Maybe, but there is nothing the competition can do about the whims of the French government. The whole situation is in the hands of 1) politicians and 2) the players who refuse the vaccine.
It's worth remembering that those most affected by this are the French clubs, as any unvaccinated players cannot even enter the training ground. Effectively: no jab,no job. Unless the rules change, they can no longer employ an unvaccinated adult.
If there are no nasty twists in the tail, I suspect such restrictions will no longer be necessary by next season. But for now, looks like some teams are going to pay a price for the choices of some of their players.
I think it's unfair to say "Whims" of the French government.
If my club is missing "X" players for their 2 French games early in the season that is our own/the players issue.
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Saddened! wrote:
I think it will resolve itself, hopefully before too long. Do you not think the justification for mandatory vaccination is waning greatly if not entirely gone now? I totally understood the logic before Omicron, but not now. It's so good at getting past the vaccines to infect people that having the vaccine or not really doesn't impact anyone other than the person themselves. The necessity to take it to protect others really isn't there any more.
Clubs need to be careful with this, especially the clubs in the UK. It is not mandatory to have the vaccines to work here. There is definitely the potential for clubs who base contract decisions on vaccination status to be sued by the players for discrimination. I guess what happens in April with the 80,000 unvaccinated NHS staff will tell us a lot. If they go through with it then perhaps clubs will be able to. But if they call that off, it's hard to see how rugby clubs will get away with doing it.
You assume one of 2 things 1. Omicron is the last variant. 2. The next variant will be weaker as the virus runs out of steam
Both these theories have been scientifically debunked. What experts have said is that Omicron is potentially a precursor to another more deadly wave (like Delta) with the high infection rate of Omicron....then Vaccines come back into the fold.
As for the 'legalities', ambulance chasers will be licking their lips, but in reality, staff can be removed on "health" grounds. Customer facing staff put customers at risk, shop floor workers put their fellow workers at risk.....you've already seen it with sick pay for non vaxxed folk being cut to statutory......I'm no Lawyer, but I suspect it's full of risks.
The reality as here in NZ that fewer than 2.7% of staff were let go as a result of our vaccine passport mandates.....choice is the employees to make themselves unable to carry out their roles as per their contract.
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