Re: Loop Fixtures : Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:15 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Jamie Peacock changes his mind, depending on which club he's at.
His views whilst at KR were substantially different to when he was at Leeds.

Therefore, it's fair to say that he wants what is best for his club (at the time) and not what is best for the game.

Whilst at Leeds, he was an advocate of cutting SL from 12 to 10 but, he suddenly changed his mind at KR

Peacock was just thinking about his wallet, Wilkin is another one when he realised he had to find other club hence his expansion stance

Re: Loop Fixtures : Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:53 pm  

A second fixture against a "big" club (the definition of big varies) draws more fans through the gate than the first fixture against a "small" club, that is a good reason to have them. Clubs should get themselves in a position where they can sell out a decent number of tickets no matter who the away team is, but that isn't the way most people in our game think unfortunately.

Re: Loop Fixtures : Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:28 pm  

i detest loop-fixtures. cut the number of matches in SL, simple.

Re: Loop Fixtures : Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:54 am  

WelshRL&RUwatcher wrote:

i detest loop-fixtures. cut the number of matches in SL, simple.

Then you cut the income mate, you cut sponsors exposure to their advertisements, you cut matchday income like hospitality, you cut fans spend at grounds and you can't provide SKY the content they want......

On the thread caused to be locked by the usual 2 or 3 people (so I have to reply here) you suggested Perez didn't talk about players much. For the record (and I will leave this for discussion elsewhere) he promised players through converting grid iron players to RL. Thousands of big strong and fast college footballers were to be developed to a high standard and developed "pretty quickly" his exact words.

This was the plan to get round the criticism that Canada don't play RL and it would be decades before they produced quality SL RL if they produced ant at all.

So it was a major part of Perez's plan as important as the TV deal that failed very early on so OF COURSE he stopped talking about it mate, every time he was asked on it his answer was changed to it would take TWP years to develop players. But even that was untrue as TWP didn't even engage with Canada RL to set up junior RL.

Plus rugby Union dominated all the grass roots Canadian Rugby. And that's that........

Re: Loop Fixtures : Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:04 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Jamie Peacock changes his mind, depending on which club he's at.
His views whilst at KR were substantially different to when he was at Leeds.

Therefore, it's fair to say that he wants what is best for his club (at the time) and not what is best for the game.

Whilst at Leeds, he was an advocate of cutting SL from 12 to 10 but, he suddenly changed his mind at KR

Yes I see the double standard, but at Leeds he publicly pushed for 10 clubs in SL and I think he did this regardless or what the Leeds hierarchy thought . I don't recall him publicly pushing for superleague to stay 12 at HKR.??

If you actually read such a statement attributed directly to him, then I will have to accept that??.

Re: Loop Fixtures : Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:21 am  

snowie wrote:

Peacock was just thinking about his wallet, Wilkin is another one when he realised he had to find other club hence his expansion stance

Don't agree (rare for me to disagree with you) on Peacock. No comparison at all.......

Wilkin swanned off to Canada thinking about his wallet and who can blame him, exactly the same for McDermott. Both therefore had to support the North American dream and did so strongly and publicly as major figures in the Toronto club.

I have no doubt these two guys were not really thinking about North American expansion much at all, but they duly bought into it publicly as they were duty bound to do so and paid more than enough to do so..

One ONE MAN decided to leave the game there the whole thing collapsed faster than a stack of playing cards, proving beyond all doubt RL was never going to take off and it was a matter of time before pro-Rugby Union in Canada were 99.99%owners of all Rugby in Canada.

The statements they have both made since insisting RL had a future there have been duly plastered all over the RL and sporting press. It's good filler for the RL media.

And of course nobody in the RL press was going to challenge either of these lads on their view that it was all working and set to take off big time.

Re: Loop Fixtures : Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:45 pm  

Hopie wrote:

A second fixture against a "big" club (the definition of big varies) draws more fans through the gate than the first fixture against a "small" club, that is a good reason to have them. Clubs should get themselves in a position where they can sell out a decent number of tickets no matter who the away team is, but that isn't the way most people in our game think unfortunately.

Although on the face of it, what you say is correct,
However, the loop fixtures tend to be against a mixture of clubs and they can be against the so called smaller clubs or, Catalan, where the away support is somewhat smaller.

I know that "we" have tinkered with the top half of the league playing last seasons higher placed clubs and with playing odd numbers (in terms of league finish) and even numbers but, it's just fixture overload.
The ideal would be to have a balanced fixture program.
It seems crazy that top spot (or second) and with that, home advantage in the semis, could be decided by having an "easier" set of loop fixtures.

Re: Loop Fixtures : Tue Jan 26, 2021 3:58 pm  

It's the same with the magic fixture.

Re: Loop Fixtures : Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:12 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

Then you cut the income mate, you cut sponsors exposure to their advertisements, you cut matchday income like hospitality, you cut fans spend at grounds and you can't provide SKY the content they want......

On the thread caused to be locked by the usual 2 or 3 people (so I have to reply here) you suggested Perez didn't talk about players much. For the record (and I will leave this for discussion elsewhere) he promised players through converting grid iron players to RL. Thousands of big strong and fast college footballers were to be developed to a high standard and developed "pretty quickly" his exact words.

This was the plan to get round the criticism that Canada don't play RL and it would be decades before they produced quality SL RL if they produced ant at all.

So it was a major part of Perez's plan as important as the TV deal that failed very early on so OF COURSE he stopped talking about it mate, every time he was asked on it his answer was changed to it would take TWP years to develop players. But even that was untrue as TWP didn't even engage with Canada RL to set up junior RL.

Plus rugby Union dominated all the grass roots Canadian Rugby. And that's that........

Tough, the players will have to take a pay cut.

Re: Loop Fixtures : Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:09 pm  

Ste100Centurions wrote:

It's happened before on this site, it's one of if not the most antiquated forums I have ever used, they are probably using the wrong kind of coal !!!

Is there anyway to ask mods or site-runners about it?