Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:09 am  

Donnyman wrote:

Appreciate that entirely Ste.....

But March/the spring is a different scenario, if all the "at risk" people are vaccinated then it seems that it will be back to normal even moreso where people are in the open air. Anyway we shall see.....

Not a chance that all of the "at risk" people will have been vaccinated by March, not a chance.
There is more chance of Trinity winning the GF and Challenge Cup double and we both can agree how unlikely that is

The NHS will be "all on" to cope with the huge increase in demand on their services and while "some" will be vaccinated by March, clubs will be lucky, very lucky to allow all of their S/T holders in by April by, which time the Championship will have hopefully completed maybe 10 of their fixtures.

It's going to be a huge, huge test for everyone.

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:52 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Not a chance that all of the "at risk" people will have been vaccinated by March, not a chance.
There is more chance of Trinity winning the GF and Challenge Cup double and we both can agree how unlikely that is

Sorry Wrenners only passing on what a doctor friend told me mate .... Also.....

"Coronavirus: ‘Majority’ of vulnerable to be vaccinated by end of February, says No 10 If sufficient vaccination can be achieved across at-risk groups, 99 per cent of Covid-19 deaths will be prevented, according to government vaccine group

Samuel Lovett The Independant
@samueljlovett
Monday 07 December 2020 17:04

Since the article another massive shipment of vaccine is on it's way and more people are being trained to deliver it. I asked my Doctor friend should we wait whilst everyone is vaccinated and he said they aren't going to do this, under 50's etc aren't at any great risk, they need the economy fully back up and running as that too is causing lives to be lost e.g. postponed cancer treatment......

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:44 pm  

The most logical thing to do is vaccinate everyone in tier 4. Then we can get on with the new norm.

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:06 pm  

atomic wrote:

The most logical thing to do is vaccinate everyone in tier 4. Then we can get on with the new norm.

As I understand it, the plan is to vaccinate 60-70% of the population and for "herd immunity" to take care of the rest but, in terms of sport and in particular RL, it's just a matter of how long this will actually take and what may be possible as more people are vaccinated.
It sounds really simple but, given that there have been less than 1% of the population vaccinated in around 4 weeks, its going to take many, many months, even with the new "Oxford" vaccine now approved.
Clubs and supporters need to survive long enough for the "majority" to have been vaccinated.

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:14 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

As I understand it, its going to take many, many months, even with the new "Oxford" vaccine now approved.
Clubs and supporters need to survive long enough for the "majority" to have been vaccinated.

"We don't need to jab everyone to end worst of pandemic.There are 12 million over-65s. Once significant numbers are vaccinated, the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed disappears and the high number of excess deaths being seen across the population dwindles.How long will that take? Well, GPs alone managed to vaccinate the over-65 population against flu in a little over two months this autumn - 77% came forward for the jab.

The flu jab is given in only one dose, but doctors believe it should be perfectly possible to finish immunisation for every person over 65 who is willing to have the vaccine by the end of March, availability permitting.That would then trigger - or at least give the option of triggering - a major relaxation of restrictions.

It is what the UK government's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty referred to as "de-risking" His point was that we could quickly reach a situation at which the level of death and illness caused by Covid was at a level society could "tolerate" - just as we tolerate 7,000 to 20,000 people dying from flu every year".

You are right in what you say Wrenners, but they aren't going to do this as the shut down economy is starting to cause more misery and medical problems than covid . Going to the soccer or rugby may be at your own risk, if you don't qualify for the jab in January/February. A risk will remain you are right, but it wlll become a personal risk....

I suppose one can attend many games and "avoid the crowds" by not getting caught up in queues, and standing in quiet parts of grounds etc. The keepmoat in Doncaster will be ideal for watching live RL March onwards?? Just avoid any queue (I guess grounds will insist on 2M spaces for queues?) Go into Belle Vue after KO through the late gate and stand on your own? Wait for the crowd to leave before leaving yourself etc.....Or wait for the summer?

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:57 am  

As a side note concerning vaccinations, my Mams next door neighbour has been vaccinated ( 80yrs + ) & while there they offered the vaccination to her daughter "while you are here" as many patients are not turning up for appointments & the doses are going to waste !

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:32 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

"We don't need to jab everyone to end worst of pandemic.There are 12 million over-65s. Once significant numbers are vaccinated, the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed disappears and the high number of excess deaths being seen across the population dwindles.How long will that take? Well, GPs alone managed to vaccinate the over-65 population against flu in a little over two months this autumn - 77% came forward for the jab.

The flu jab is given in only one dose, but doctors believe it should be perfectly possible to finish immunisation for every person over 65 who is willing to have the vaccine by the end of March, availability permitting.That would then trigger - or at least give the option of triggering - a major relaxation of restrictions.

It is what the UK government's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty referred to as "de-risking" His point was that we could quickly reach a situation at which the level of death and illness caused by Covid was at a level society could "tolerate" - just as we tolerate 7,000 to 20,000 people dying from flu every year".

You are right in what you say Wrenners, but they aren't going to do this as the shut down economy is starting to cause more misery and medical problems than covid . Going to the soccer or rugby may be at your own risk, if you don't qualify for the jab in January/February. A risk will remain you are right, but it wlll become a personal risk....

I suppose one can attend many games and "avoid the crowds" by not getting caught up in queues, and standing in quiet parts of grounds etc. The keepmoat in Doncaster will be ideal for watching live RL March onwards?? Just avoid any queue (I guess grounds will insist on 2M spaces for queues?) Go into Belle Vue after KO through the late gate and stand on your own? Wait for the crowd to leave before leaving yourself etc.....Or wait for the summer?

You would think that, once fans are permitted to attend games, S/T holders will gain priority, perhaps through a ballot system and that slowly, numbers being allowed to attend will increase.
I take your point on minimising personal risk but, government guidelines and what clubs are allowed to do will govern who may and may not attend.
"We" may even end up having to show some kind of vaccination certificate, which could prove mighty interesting.

Lets just hope things improve rapidly and we can get back to watching the game "in the flesh" and that kids can play the game we all love.
Persuading parents that their kids are ok to play a close contact sport will need some clever work.
Participation numbers are going to take a huge hit in the short term, with kids more likely to be encouraged into taking part in other sports.
Anyway, lets hope that the season gets going and is in full swing, in front of paying fans just as soon as possible.

Is there any likelihood of the Championship games being televised for the masses or will things be restricted to S/T holders ?

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:44 pm  

Ste100Centurions wrote:

As a side note concerning vaccinations, my Mams next door neighbour has been vaccinated ( 80yrs + ) & while there they offered the vaccination to her daughter "while you are here" as many patients are not turning up for appointments & the doses are going to waste !

Matches the idea there's a 70% take up rate Ste....

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:46 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Is there any likelihood of the Championship games being televised for the masses or will things be restricted to S/T holders ?

Tough one that, the games are there for SKY to show as the current contract pays for them....But they said during the negotiations they were not interested in Championship.

Re: Championship KO end of Feb : Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:22 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Not a chance that all of the "at risk" people will have been vaccinated by March, not a chance.
There is more chance of Trinity winning the GF and Challenge Cup double and we both can agree how unlikely that is

The NHS will be "all on" to cope with the huge increase in demand on their services and while "some" will be vaccinated by March, clubs will be lucky, very lucky to allow all of their S/T holders in by April by, which time the Championship will have hopefully completed maybe 10 of their fixtures.

It's going to be a huge, huge test for everyone.

By the 1st April only one league game will have taken place, the Challenge Cup and 1895 Cup are going to be in played in March.