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Re: Future of the Game
Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:19 pm
Posted by puroresu_boy on Sun May 24, 2020 2:19 pm
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If SL was UK only would the game suddenly become better?

Would we see full stadiums, commercial sponsorship, bumper new TV deal, increased revenue streams?

The game right now is struggling and their is no easy solution but a UK only SL isn't going to see any improvements.
Re: Future of the Game
Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:26 pm
Posted by Someday on Sun May 24, 2020 2:26 pm
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puroresu_boy wrote:
If SL was UK only would the game suddenly become better?

Would we see full stadiums, commercial sponsorship, bumper new TV deal, increased revenue streams?

The game right now is struggling and their is no easy solution but a UK only SL isn't going to see any improvements.

And it will not improve with a load of American and canaden teams in in fact the game in this country would collapse faster then a deck of cards
Re: Future of the Game
Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:27 pm
Posted by Donnyman on Sun May 24, 2020 2:27 pm
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Ornery Optimist wrote:

The Super League that Donnyman has shown in the above post seems to have missed out the good ol' USA sides. That league,with those clubs,won't be happening.



Corrections always welcome. Here's your future then with two USA clubs in there.....

Montreal...... Les Catalans
Toronto....... Toulouse
Ottawa....... Wigan
Vancouver... Saints
New York.... Leeds
Boston....... Hull.

This gives you the "six north american clubs" necessary to get a big NATV deal. If that is "on" then that's SKY out of the way. There's always a downside to such things. The main one's may be:-

1. Academy RL and reserves RL will have to go by the wayside here if there's only 4 pro clubs here??
2. If we work on the Hull poll of 60% of English fans not been keen on your league then we may lose up to 60% of the traditional audience here??
3. Will current or up and coming English RL players want to play in such a league? The constant travel put players off signing for TWP? Would talented kids here play RU instead?

I just see the English game being depressed badly but hey ho, if you and others think this is the "Future of the game" then so be it. But do remember that to date there are exactly ZERO multi-Millionaire North American investors wanting to back North American RL clubs, and Gausch has no money any more. How do you think we will be able to get to enough rich investors in France and NA to carry us through to that big NA TV deal?

Then Turkeys don't vote for Xmas so how do you get the current bunch of failing UK clubs to vote for this. Maybe they could vote for it "for the good of the game".

Even though if six NA clubs did make a fist of it A BIG IF then they would surely start looking to make the league wholly North American, as that would suit the North American TV paymaster? Thoughts??
Re: Future of the Game
Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:36 pm
Posted by puroresu_boy on Sun May 24, 2020 2:36 pm
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Someday wrote:
And it will not improve with a load of American and canaden teams in in fact the game in this country would collapse faster then a deck of cards


I would rather try something new than the status quo which has done nothing to actually grow the game.

Before NA teams got in on the game the sport was exactly thriving. Where the game stands can't be blamed on North America.
Re: Future of the Game
Post Sun May 24, 2020 2:50 pm
Posted by Ornery Optimist on Sun May 24, 2020 2:50 pm
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Donnyman wrote:
Corrections always welcome. Here's your future then with two USA clubs in there.....

Montreal...... Les Catalans
Toronto....... Toulouse
Ottawa....... Wigan
Vancouver... Saints
New York.... Leeds
Boston....... Hull.

This gives you the "six north american clubs" necessary to get a big NATV deal. If that is "on" then that's SKY out of the way. There's always a downside to such things. The main one's may be:-

1. Academy RL and reserves RL will have to go by the wayside here if there's only 4 pro clubs here??
2. If we work on the Hull poll of 60% of English fans not been keen on your league then we may lose up to 60% of the traditional audience here??
3. Will current or up and coming English RL players want to play in such a league? The constant travel put players off signing for TWP? Would talented kids here play RU instead?

I just see the English game being depressed badly but hey ho, if you and others think this is the "Future of the game" then so be it. But do remember that to date there are exactly ZERO multi-Millionaire North American investors wanting to back North American RL clubs, and Gausch has no money any more. How do you think we will be able to get to enough rich investors in France and NA to carry us through to that big NA TV deal?

Then Turkeys don't vote for Xmas so how do you get the current bunch of failing UK clubs to vote for this. Maybe they could vote for it "for the good of the game".

Even though if six NA clubs did make a fist of it A BIG IF then they would surely start looking to make the league wholly North American, as that would suit the North American TV paymaster? Thoughts??


Post Covid19 it isn't going to happen like that.
It is NOT my future,or my league.It was you who typed it out.
As the future salary cap seems to be the topic for the moment,how do you see the future of the sport - as it is now in Covd19 lockdown - how do YOU want it to progress? What has Lenagan been telling you?
If he is spending money on London,well it would seem they are in.Wigan and high-spending Warrington,and if there are enough referees to go round,St Helens.
Clubs that haven't been formed yet:they can be forgotten about,just for now.
No reserves,but resilience,persistence and determination are omnipotent.
Re: Future of the Game
Post Sun May 24, 2020 3:58 pm
Posted by IR80 on Sun May 24, 2020 3:58 pm
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Donnyman wrote:
Corrections always welcome. Here's your future then with two USA clubs in there.....

Montreal...... Les Catalans
Toronto....... Toulouse
Ottawa....... Wigan
Vancouver... Saints
New York.... Leeds
Boston....... Hull.

This gives you the "six north american clubs" necessary to get a big NATV deal. If that is "on" then that's SKY out of the way. There's always a downside to such things. The main one's may be:-

1. Academy RL and reserves RL will have to go by the wayside here if there's only 4 pro clubs here??
2. If we work on the Hull poll of 60% of English fans not been keen on your league then we may lose up to 60% of the traditional audience here??
3. Will current or up and coming English RL players want to play in such a league? The constant travel put players off signing for TWP? Would talented kids here play RU instead?

I just see the English game being depressed badly but hey ho, if you and others think this is the "Future of the game" then so be it. But do remember that to date there are exactly ZERO multi-Millionaire North American investors wanting to back North American RL clubs, and Gausch has no money any more. How do you think we will be able to get to enough rich investors in France and NA to carry us through to that big NA TV deal?

Then Turkeys don't vote for Xmas so how do you get the current bunch of failing UK clubs to vote for this. Maybe they could vote for it "for the good of the game".

Even though if six NA clubs did make a fist of it A BIG IF then they would surely start looking to make the league wholly North American, as that would suit the North American TV paymaster? Thoughts??

Still not answering the multiple questions from various posters...?

at least my flatulence smells but is heard once a day!
Re: Future of the Game
Post Mon May 25, 2020 12:15 am
Posted by The Silent H on Mon May 25, 2020 12:15 am
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IR80 wrote:
Still not answering the multiple questions from various posters...?

at least my flatulence smells but is heard once a day!

Donnyman can say plenty but when questioned he goes eerily quiet, and then changes the subject slightly to avoid admitting he is wrong.
Re: Future of the Game
Post Mon May 25, 2020 7:18 am
Posted by Donnyman on Mon May 25, 2020 7:18 am
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Someday wrote:
And it will not improve with a load of American and canadian teams in in fact the game in this country would collapse faster then a deck of cards


Of course it would :wink: Your bang on right, and as you can see in the three posts above people who bought into this nonsense just don't want to admit it :D . Each time you take an English professional club, and their investor out of Superleague, and off the TV screens and replace them with a bogus overseas club who don't develop SL players and don't underpin a TV contract it's a nail in the coffin for the game here.

When McManus was commenting on the TV deal (this was reported in League express and League weekly) he categorically said that SKY had warned him that the number of overseas clubs in Superleague had to be strictly limited. SKY were clear they needed a big English content to show to their English subscribers. Perez certainly could grasp the TV issue as he promised NATV deals right from the start but never came up with anything. Which major NATV company wants to pay to screen a load of English teams playing other English team dressed up as Canadians at a Beer Festival on a weird pitch?

The other issue to the Canadian paying TV deal promised was the development of players. We know now, and again the evidence is there that, the plan to convert grid iron players failed, and of course McDermott publicly said that his club TWP would not be developing any players for years to come. Union have the junior and amateur game stitched up over there, hence Perez is talking about recruiting 10 Canadian RU Players, even though Noble checked Canada RU out last year and said there was no quality RL talent to be found.

I set out the league some people dream of above, but nobody wants to discuss it because it is clear that the inclusion of North American clubs simply causes the exclusion of English clubs. It's not rocket science is it. Every time an Ottawa replaces a Castleford or a New York replaces a Wakefield that's a foundation/academy/reserves gone down the pan here, a bunch of disgruntled fans cancelling their SKY contracts, and probably the rich investor gone - Hudgell is making such noises already. As SKY have told SL, repeat that too many times and the SKY contract is gone. Then so is the game.

This nonsense is not "expansion" it's "destruction" :D
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Re: Future of the Game
Post Mon May 25, 2020 7:45 am
Posted by Donnyman on Mon May 25, 2020 7:45 am
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Ornery Optimist wrote:

It is NOT my future,or my league.It was you who typed it out.

How do you see the future of the sport........



Yes I typed it out to take the debate forward, If this is the so called "expansion" that some people want where is the actual "expansion"?. Contracting the academy and reserves league, losing the SKY deal, and having thousands of English fans and investors walk away like Hudgell isn't expansion it's contraction. The only "expansion" I can find in this dream is the massive expansion in air miles and hotel costs just to get games on.

The future clearly has to be fully supporting this tiny pocket of professional RL in England that just about works, like it of not. Don't you agree? If not why not? Your turn now.....You tell me where things should go and why??
Re: Future of the Game
Post Mon May 25, 2020 8:01 am
Posted by Donnyman on Mon May 25, 2020 8:01 am
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The Silent H wrote:
Donnyman can say plenty but when questioned he goes eerily quiet, and then changes the subject slightly to avoid admitting he is wrong.


Same for you my friend, replacing English clubs in Superleague with overseas clubs sees academies who develop players here close, it sees the SKY TV deal pulled pretty quickly with no deal to replace it, and it sees our investors walk away. No point having a dig at me. Have a dig at the debate my friend. It's the same with French clubs. Every French clubs that refuses to develop players and can't find any TV money replacing a club here is actually "contraction" of the game.

Which French clubs have full player development systems and get a paying French TV deal?
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