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Re: Future of the Game Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:23 pm  

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If only Jean was here to defend Catalan.
Re: Future of the Game Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:24 pm  

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If only Jean was here to defend Catalan.
he will be but under another name
Re: Future of the Game Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:19 pm  

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Without any Championship fixtures, how the hell will any Championship club afford the (inflated) wages of ANY of the TWP players.
I would suggest that the vast majority will have the hatches well and truly battened down and not be looking to take on a penny of additional cost.

The only way for the TWP players would get any kind of gig at a Championship club is if TWP pay the vast majority of their wages.

Bradford getting promoted would be obscene, unless of course they can gain promotion on the field of play.


I AGREE, but actually I don't care. This thread was set up in March for a few reasons, and so far, it's not far wrong. Bradford would NOT be 'promoted'. They'd be 'invited'... read the RFL statement. (last line is beauty. Dom Cummings wrote that I believe) I might be wrong....... we've only been discussing it for five months and hundred and futy pages later, we are on track the original purpose. ATM, we have insufficient numbers in SL for a full set of games already announced. That's embarrassing.

TWP will have to pay wages or lose ALL of their players, and club, OR as was discussed (please check the original post on this thread. (I'll report it) the RFLF, SL and SL clubs.....'club in'. (Sorry I am enjoying this ) to save the integrity of the top tier......and therefore the credibility of the game. Yes I know Osmond ....'inviting three times World Champions, founder of the SL Summer experience, and the second largest city back into SL, would show a lack of integrity. Like killing your own soldiers at Arnhem on purpose, was a lack of integrity. But the war was won.

Bulls v Whinos coming up?. You KNOW you want it.

Have a guess who won the last Bulls v Whinos competitive game?

Wow this is fun.
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Re: Future of the Game Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:20 pm  

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Folks, in these troubled times, we all need to take care of ourselves, our loved ones and our communities, but we all need to work out how our game can get through this for the good of millions in the RL family.

How can Rugby League ensure that we have an Elite Level at SL, a middle tier at Championship/Champ 1 level and also at community level in every small town and village up and down the country.

I have a suggestion for your comments and analysis. It is far from perfect, but put out their for consideration of fans and the leaders of OUR game. It takes into consideration that the game employs thousands of players, coaches, back room staff, coaches, admin staff etc. We MUST save our clubs and games.

Suggestion: Super League is cancelled for now (in any case), when it resumes, it should be a smaller competition of the clubs that can pay all of its staff at either full time of part time level. whilst commanding the largest crowds that we can. Clearly the bigger games will command bigger crowds. (Only when that is safe of course) Perhaps eight clubs could manage that in terms of the crowds they could command for those bigger games. Those clubs could loan out the players on the edge, to smaller clubs to ensure that those players continued to be paid at least some wages and can also find other forms in employment to help in the community. The game & RFL could then perhaps agree a percentage from those bigger games taking, to loan (or maybe grants) to the clubs that agree to drop down rather than going bust. Say 10%? This should last for two seasons, starting asap and of course be reviewed after a shorter first season.

The clubs that cannot afford to pay their full time salaries could go part time in a Championship/Championship 1 Divisions [/b] and those players/staff could then be free find other employment in the community whilst keeping the game going, as above. Many will need to find other employment in any case IF clubs cannot survive. Better than to have part time clubs than no clubs at all maybe?

It is clear that our RL communities are likely to suffer more than others elsewhere, a majority of our men work for themselves and many of our women in the public services. Whatever we can do to support them, whilst saving the game at every level, the better.

This post is meant for discussion to look at the bigger picture of the current times AND the bigger of how we save our game for the future. Yes there will be problems and arguments. There always has been sine 1890!!! Now is the time we influence our own game and lives, by working together to save the game.

We will NOT have a Sugar Daddy coming in saving any of our clubs or the game itself. Sky will not save us unless it is financially viable. The BIGGER games sell more. WE need to influence Leaders.

Submitted for sensible responses.


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Re: Future of the Game Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:36 pm  

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Superleague needs to be built on strong foundations and that starts with the clubs "foundations" promoting the junior game to bring youngsters in in numbers

I would suggest many of us are tired of token efforts by clubs like TWP and Catalans


I covered this in my last post (which was cut from your reply) nothing enforces a team to play players from their academy. It’s been common practice for a while that P&R doesn’t really allow for giving academy lads a chance as the pitfalls of losing a few games means you could get relegated and so we rely on our ‘Aussie superstars’ to add quality to our squads.

I’m not saying Catalan have a world beating academy or develop players of a high Calibre but they clearly produce players to an extent. They choice not to play them is the same as any teams choice.

As I said earlier, perhaps a new rule for the national league 2022 is a minimum number of players from your own academy in the squad or maybe even a monetary reward to teams who play home grown talent and they get more central funding?
Re: Future of the Game Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:06 pm  

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Gents/Ladies,

i am now starting to enjoy this thread. You are all so passionate about our game . Thank you.

It matters not, if they are bringing kids into the game in Dewsbury, Doncaster, Bradford, Blackpool, Halifax/Halifax Nova Scotia, Kingston Town: SCHOLARSHIPS are key. Education is key, in J, USA and Halifax. This is the future Donny, This is OUR GAME! X

https://www.rugby-league.com/article/55 ... o-monteith Watch until the VERY end. If Jason says it's good. I am on board. YOU?
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Re: Future of the Game Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:01 pm  

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Bulls4 wrote:
I covered this in my last post (which was cut from your reply) nothing enforces a team to play players from their academy. It’s been common practice for a while that P&R doesn’t really allow for giving academy lads a chance as the pitfalls of losing a few games means you could get relegated and so we rely on our ‘Aussie superstars’ to add quality to our squads.

I’m not saying Catalan have a world beating academy or develop players of a high Calibre but they clearly produce players to an extent. They choice not to play them is the same as any teams choice.

As I said earlier, perhaps a new rule for the national league 2022 is a minimum number of players from your own academy in the squad or maybe even a monetary reward to teams who play home grown talent and they get more central funding?


Thanks for your genuine and interesting thoughts. Whatever P&R does to player development and choice, the foundations, and the academies and now the reserves at least play their part in maximising the number of decent players we can get "home grown" and of course if the NRL offers us better players than that we have to take them.

But I take you back to why Catalans were allowed in to Superleague and that was to provide the best French players with top class Rugby League on a regular basis to hone them for the International side. They came in in 2006 and revived the France.v.GB tests in 2007. But their player quality has gone downhill and those tests have now been pulled.

I've enjoyed Catalans immensly and moreso Toulouse especially years ago when they knocked Widnes out of the Cup.

But as much as you or I may like the idea of a guest French club in Superleague there are English clubs planning for getting to Superleague. This includes Newcastle, Bradford, Leigh, Widnes, London and Featherstone. I know there may be an argument some or all (currently) may "not be ready" but that's just kicking the can/argument down the road. Nor is it an argument to say I just don't like them as some too lazy for a conversation say.

At some point, lets say Bulls get back to Odsal on a better rent deal, and Mark Sawyer jumps ship from Dewsbury and with Nigel Wood gets some money men in then how could you justify a guest club that failed in it's purpose, to block a member club with a massive home and away following all ready to roll back the years, and bump up the crowds.

That's the key question. People can't dismiss ambitious championship clubs as "not ready yet" as a reason to keep Catalans, several will be offering far more than Catalans offer by the time 2022 approaches. Catalans losing their SL place gives us Fantastic French derby games anyway? It can be a win win, rather than a lose lose.
Re: Future of the Game Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:58 am  

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Donnyman wrote:
Thanks for your genuine and interesting thoughts. Whatever P&R does to player development and choice, the foundations, and the academies and now the reserves at least play their part in maximising the number of decent players we can get "home grown" and of course if the NRL offers us better players than that we have to take them.

But I take you back to why Catalans were allowed in to Superleague and that was to provide the best French players with top class Rugby League on a regular basis to hone them for the International side. They came in in 2006 and revived the France.v.GB tests in 2007. But their player quality has gone downhill and those tests have now been pulled.

I've enjoyed Catalans immensly and moreso Toulouse especially years ago when they knocked Widnes out of the Cup.

But as much as you or I may like the idea of a guest French club in Superleague there are English clubs planning for getting to Superleague. This includes Newcastle, Bradford, Leigh, Widnes, London and Featherstone. I know there may be an argument some or all (currently) may "not be ready" but that's just kicking the can/argument down the road. Nor is it an argument to say I just don't like them as some too lazy for a conversation say.

At some point, lets say Bulls get back to Odsal on a better rent deal, and Mark Sawyer jumps ship from Dewsbury and with Nigel Wood gets some money men in then how could you justify a guest club that failed in it's purpose, to block a member club with a massive home and away following all ready to roll back the years, and bump up the crowds.

That's the key question. People can't dismiss ambitious championship clubs as "not ready yet" as a reason to keep Catalans, several will be offering far more than Catalans offer by the time 2022 approaches. Catalans losing their SL place gives us Fantastic French derby games anyway? It can be a win win, rather than a lose lose.


I knew you come around to my thinking. Good man.
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Re: Future of the Game Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:57 am  

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Re: Future of the Game Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:14 am  

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