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London is a soccer city. It will never change. No corporates will invest in rugby league in London.

Toulouse has a strong rugby history and fan base.

Toulouse is a better bet for building rugby league.


Toulouse is most definitely a Rugby City. The Union side attracts 21k as an average to games in the top 14 and 16k to European Games whilst their soccer team only averages 15k to games.

Unfortunately for you, Toulouse is not a Rugby League city. Their RL side only attracted 2,289 to their home games in 2019, a figure that dips below 2k if you take the inflated gate announced for Toronto, where their Union neighbours were invited to attend for a paltry 5 euros entry. This is a figure smaller than London Broncos average in 2019 and yet The Broncos have more than one Union and one Soccer side to compete with.

I have to say, your sweeping comment regarding London is quite insulting, but you French are often renowned for your ignorance of things you have little understanding of. Virgin are a multi Billion Pound entity who invested in London Rugby League. I believe they qualify as both a corporate and one that has its HQ in London. I believe the clubs primary sponsor, Bartercard also qualifies as a corporate, albeit an Australian one, but you being French may not understand this, as I don't believe that France is one of the 8 countries that the company operates in.

Toulouse Olympique have a main shirt sponsor of an insurance brokerage with fewer than 100 employees and there CEO is an ex-Union Player. Their star player is a cook islander born in Australia, whilst their French players are not good enough for SL, a fact highlighted by them playing for Toulouse and not Catalans. London, on the other hand, earned promotion to SL and were only relegated on the last day of the regular season in 2019, whilst Toulouse lost in the play-offs at home, in front of 1,068 spectators...a disappointing crowd given that their Union neighbours played the day before, whilst their Soccer side were away that day, so there was little else in way of competition to this "game of the season".

Still. You being French does somewhat excuse your ignorance of the facts. Is there not a French version of Wikipedia for you to check before coming across as such?
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The idea you knew more about Marketing than Gary Hetherington was laughable, but anyway that was just half time. 1-0 to me.


Where exactly have I said that? If that's your inference, that's your failure, not mine.

You also understand that Hetherington doesn't do the marketing at Leeds, don't you?

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1. TWP need to add to their squad the top class college football Athletes they were going to convert "pretty quickly" to Superleague level professionals.


OK, so we're still pushing this line without actually addressing the questions I raised. I see where this is going.

SKY is an English TV subscription channel who make nothing from overseas clubs. McManus was clear SKY need an English League for English clubs and subs. In turn SL need English fixtures as they draw bigger crowds....... Hull.v.HKR 23,002 Bradford.v.Leeds 23,373 Wigan.v.Leigh 15,699 etc.....


Catalans Dragons v Wigan, 31,555

3-0


Ah, sorry. There was me thinking we could have a debate like adults. My mistake.
I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls


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Catalans Dragons v Wigan, 31,555


Fantastic attendance at a great event game and hopefully one that is repeated this year to keep up interest. Were you aware that 4 of the starting 13 that day, together with another 3 on the bench were born in France.

Now, to be crystal. In 2006, although the club itself was relatively new, Rugby League in the region was in decent shape (12k to the domestic final) and they had the chance to pick from at least a dozen clubs to nurture and grow the pathway for French players, all with no need to pay transfer fees. They were also exempt from relegation for 3 years to give them a chance to "bed in".

14 years later and they are as reliant on imports as they were in 2006 when they defeated Wigan in front of 11,000 fans except now they don't get 11,000 gates at their home ground.

This thread started with a list of London players and highlighting that the vast majority were London trained. At the end of 2006, London were also "re-born" after nearly going under. At the time, they were a team that had no local players that I can recall, but who had finished in a play-off spot. London now have very little reliance on antipodean players and have started to benefit from the conveyer-belt of talent started back in 2007. French Rugby League on the other hand has gone backwards, with 2k attending their domestic final in 2019.

I'd say that a London side packed with London born and trained players is far better for the game than 30k curious Catalonians at a one off event.

As I say. I hope they return to Barcelona again this year and we see an increase on the gate, but somehow, I can't see it as having been anything more than a one off event like it was in 2009 when Wire played in Spain. 10 years between drinks is a long time for all those Rugby Mad Catalonians.......especially if it is to watch a French side with fewer than 37% French Players.
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bramleyrhino wrote:

1. You understand that Hetherington doesn't do the marketing at Leeds, don't you?

2. Catalans Dragons v Wigan, 31,555

Ah, sorry. There was me thinking we could have a debate like adults. My mistake.



We can have a debate like adults, I can and do apologise if I upset you.

Hetherington as CEO presides over the various departments including marketing doesn't he? If marketing is poor then he's the one answerable to Caddick.

As for the attendance you quote - see La Grange's reply. I like debates but so many of them are devoid of the basic facts or facts are twisted :wink: .

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La Grange wrote:
Toulouse is most definitely a Rugby City. The Union side attracts 21k as an average to games in the top 14 and 16k to European Games whilst their soccer team only averages 15k to games.

Unfortunately for you, Toulouse is not a Rugby League city. Their RL side only attracted 2,289 to their home games in 2019


You make these ridiculous comparisons between attendances for the Toulouse rugby union team and the Toulouse soccer team, versus attendances for the Toulouse rugby league team. These comparisons are irrelevant to future expectations, because Toulouse Olympique rugby league club is not yet playing in a top tier fully professional competition, while the teams from the other two codes already are and have been for decades.

Once Toulouse Olympique is promoted to Super League, one can expect their attendances to skyrocket to a minimum of 6,000, and possibly as high as 10,000. We saw this skyrocketing attendance for the Catalans Dragons, once the club was promoted to Super League.
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JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:
You make these ridiculous comparisons between attendances for the Toulouse rugby union team and the Toulouse soccer team, versus attendances for the Toulouse rugby league team. These comparisons are irrelevant to future expectations, because Toulouse Olympique rugby league club is not yet playing in a top tier fully professional competition, while the teams from the other two codes already are and have been for decades.

Once Toulouse Olympique is promoted to Super League, one can expect their attendances to skyrocket to a minimum of 6,000, and possibly as high as 10,000. We saw this skyrocketing attendance for the Catalans Dragons, once the club was promoted to Super League.


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JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:
You make these ridiculous comparisons between attendances for the Toulouse rugby union team and the Toulouse soccer team, versus attendances for the Toulouse rugby league team. These comparisons are irrelevant to future expectations, because Toulouse Olympique rugby league club is not yet playing in a top tier fully professional competition, while the teams from the other two codes already are and have been for decades.

Once Toulouse Olympique is promoted to Super League, one can expect their attendances to skyrocket to a minimum of 6,000, and possibly as high as 10,000. We saw this skyrocketing attendance for the Catalans Dragons, once the club was promoted to Super League.

1. THREAD DRIFTED BY THE TROLL AGAIN

2. No.
I work in the realms of fact and statistics.
You are strangely absent from the thread regarding how to assist French RL BTW. You did post 2 references to Wakefield that were stranglely removed and replaced with a singular reference to a "pit village", but you've made no comment on how to help?
It's almost like you're a troll????

Instead, you infect this thread about a local side full of local players and make unfounded and unsupported claims at to what would happen if Toulouse don't bottle it again this year.

To reiterate. 1,100.....less a few dozen, bothered to attend the final play-off game of 2019 in France and fewer than 2,000 bothered with the french domestic final.
I understand with you being French that some things might get lost in translation, but surely, given the precise nature of many of your posts, you have some grasp of the fact that French RL is bu99ered and Toulouse in an English Comp is not the answer...especially when their playmaker is a Cook Island International, born an Australian and still not good enough for the NSW cup!

If you are the expert on all things French RL, please feel free to post in the correct thread and not the one about the progress made in London over the last decade whilst Catalans have gone backwards.

Back on thread.
London's 2nd string, featuring 18 London based players lost recently to Coventry, whilst the First Team Squad with 15 London trained plaers that day fell to Hull FC, by 4 scores to one.
33 Londoners across the 2 squads with the academy as well...that's more cockneys that the French have French players in their international Squad :SUBMISSION:
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La Grange wrote:
1. THREAD DRIFTED BY THE TROLL AGAIN

2. No.
I work in the realms of fact and statistics.
You are strangely absent from the thread regarding how to assist French RL BTW. You did post 2 references to Wakefield that were stranglely removed and replaced with a singular reference to a "pit village", but you've made no comment on how to help?
It's almost like you're a troll????

Instead, you infect this thread about a local side full of local players and make unfounded and unsupported claims at to what would happen if Toulouse don't bottle it again this year.

To reiterate. 1,100.....less a few dozen, bothered to attend the final play-off game of 2019 in France and fewer than 2,000 bothered with the french domestic final.
I understand with you being French that some things might get lost in translation, but surely, given the precise nature of many of your posts, you have some grasp of the fact that French RL is bu99ered and Toulouse in an English Comp is not the answer...especially when their playmaker is a Cook Island International, born an Australian and still not good enough for the NSW cup!

If you are the expert on all things French RL, please feel free to post in the correct thread and not the one about the progress made in London over the last decade whilst Catalans have gone backwards.

Back on thread.
London's 2nd string, featuring 18 London based players lost recently to Coventry, whilst the First Team Squad with 15 London trained plaers that day fell to Hull FC, by 4 scores to one.
33 Londoners across the 2 squads with the academy as well...that's more cockneys that the French have French players in their international Squad :SUBMISSION:


You deal in facts do you? So please explain: why would the heartless heathen from Lower Hutt feel the need to enter this forum now under another identity?
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