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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:42 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:42 am
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Sky don't care what teams are in Super League. They would only care about viewership numbers and ratings. Correct me if I am wrong but I think Toronto rate well on Tv. That's all Sky and other broadcasters care about.


I agree that Sky aren't bothered about the sport or about any clubs in particular and their interest is having something to fill their schedules and generating revenue for their business.
I'm interested in your comment that Toronto "rate well" and whether this is English viewers or overseas viewers.
As for a stand alone deal in Canada (or France), I just dont get the "math", unless RL has truly been embraced by the N. American (or French) public.
Although it wont bother the advertisers, the numbers of "dodgy" sky viewers, who are paying a fraction of the full subscription could have a massive effect on our sports value to them.
I know of only one person who pays full price on Sky, with all the rest viewing "from overseas" and whilst I fully understand why people do this, it's taking $millions from Sky's pockets.
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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:17 am
Posted by IR80 on Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:17 am
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wrencat1873 wrote:
I agree that Sky aren't bothered about the sport or about any clubs in particular and their interest is having something to fill their schedules and generating revenue for their business.
I'm interested in your comment that Toronto "rate well" and whether this is English viewers or overseas viewers.
As for a stand alone deal in Canada (or France), I just dont get the "math", unless RL has truly been embraced by the N. American (or French) public.
Although it wont bother the advertisers, the numbers of "dodgy" sky viewers, who are paying a fraction of the full subscription could have a massive effect on our sports value to them.
I know of only one person who pays full price on Sky, with all the rest viewing "from overseas" and whilst I fully understand why people do this, it's taking $millions from Sky's pockets.

Equally though, Sky has become way too expensive, i wish Netflix would pick up RL, but they aren't really operating in that space.
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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:04 pm
Posted by little wayne69 on Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:04 pm
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IR80 wrote:
Equally though, Sky has become way too expensive, i wish Netflix would pick up RL, but they aren't really operating in that space.

Not sure how you work that one out, if your a sports fan and you take into account the different sports' on offer, maybe if you drop some of the other things like childrens tv and filums it's maybe not as expensive.
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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:32 pm
Posted by IR80 on Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:32 pm
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Not sure how you work that one out, if your a sports fan and you take into account the different sports' on offer, maybe if you drop some of the other things like childrens tv and filums it's maybe not as expensive.

What if you dont give a monkies about overpaid football, F1 etc. Sky is a total rip off for the average RL supporter.
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What if you dont give a monkies about overpaid football, F1 etc. Sky is a total rip off for the average RL supporter.

So the average RL fan won't watch the 3 games on offer most weeks plus the CC games and the GF, not forgetting the golf, cricket, premier league darts and the rest of the overpaid sports.
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So the average RL fan won't watch the 3 games on offer most weeks plus the CC games and the GF, not forgetting the golf, cricket, premier league darts and the rest of the overpaid sports.

The average RL supporter I know doesn't bother much with Cricket, Darts, Golf etc. The CC games are on the BBC and a lot of rl fans couldn't give a hoot about the GF.
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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:09 pm
Posted by silver2 on Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:09 pm
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I wonder. If it was possible to go back to 1980s style, part time RL with its biff, fast wingers and off the cuff plays, would the paying public welcome it?
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Post Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:34 pm
Posted by Donnyman on Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:34 pm
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The Silent H wrote:
Sky don't care what teams are in Super League. They would only care about viewership numbers and ratings. Correct me if I am wrong but I think Toronto rate well on Tv. That's all Sky and other broadcasters care about.


Please would you consider that the way this works is SKY show various sports on their English SKY TV channels and this attracts English PAYING subscribers to those channels, thus creating an additional income stream to add to the English companies PAYING to advertise English products? I pay my subs and I consider buying and do buy (some of) the products and services advertised. So the whole business plan and economics of it is SKY getting in advertising revenue from England and subscriptions from England.

So I pay £30 a month or whatever, and fancy a go at some of the beers that are on the adverts. I also like to watch English clubs. Maybe that's just me but a recent survey in Hull showed 80% of fans having no interest in phoney North American clubs. What they want from SKY is Hull.v.HKR and not Hull.v.Toronto and no HKR????? So you are totally wrong with respect and as far as I can work out. SKY care about English fans paying them subs and English advertisers getting English RL fans buying their English goods and services. You have to think about the income SKY would get from say 10 English clubs in Superleague against say 5 English SL clubs plus TWP, Ottawa, New York, Catalans and Toulouse in Superleague?.

I agree about "ratings" but if you chuck Cas, Wakey, Salford, Fartown and HKR out, and send their players abroad to dress up as French and North american players that's a hell of a lot of SKY subs lost and TV dishes ripped of the wall and weighed in at the scrapyard by angry fans vowing they are finished with Rugby league. You have fallen for the constant mantra that TWP are not only glamorous but attractive the world over. They have hoodwinked you my good man. Why not go to the next Hull Derby and discuss one of the Hull clubs standing down for TWP with the fans??.

Take a bodyguard with you.
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Post Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:08 am
Posted by atomic on Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:08 am
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Donnyman wrote:
Please would you consider that the way this works is SKY show various sports on their English SKY TV channels and this attracts English PAYING subscribers to those channels, thus creating an additional income stream to add to the English companies PAYING to advertise English products? I pay my subs and I consider buying and do buy (some of) the products and services advertised. So the whole business plan and economics of it is SKY getting in advertising revenue from England and subscriptions from England.

So I pay £30 a month or whatever, and fancy a go at some of the beers that are on the adverts. I also like to watch English clubs. Maybe that's just me but a recent survey in Hull showed 80% of fans having no interest in phoney North American clubs. What they want from SKY is Hull.v.HKR and not Hull.v.Toronto and no HKR????? So you are totally wrong with respect and as far as I can work out. SKY care about English fans paying them subs and English advertisers getting English RL fans buying their English goods and services. You have to think about the income SKY would get from say 10 English clubs in Superleague against say 5 English SL clubs plus TWP, Ottawa, New York, Catalans and Toulouse in Superleague?.

I agree about "ratings" but if you chuck Cas, Wakey, Salford, Fartown and HKR out, and send their players abroad to dress up as French and North american players that's a hell of a lot of SKY subs lost and TV dishes ripped of the wall and weighed in at the scrapyard by angry fans vowing they are finished with Rugby league. You have fallen for the constant mantra that TWP are not only glamorous but attractive the world over. They have hoodwinked you my good man. Why not go to the next Hull Derby and discuss one of the Hull clubs standing down for TWP with the fans??.

Take a bodyguard with you.


Subscriptions is all SKY want. Super League the product is now in the hands of SL. The game itself is still in the pocket of the heartlands.

I see SL not closing the door,but I see the lower tiers closing it. Not sure how the SL will survive or all the expansion clubs.

There needs to be change in what form of structure would again be placed to criteria.

Who meets the grade? Who doesn’t?

The key to success is knowing the boundaries... Along with investment. Taking a tax free sum and still no development isn’t an answer.

Although it’s still an answer for the majority of clubs.
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Post Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:14 am
Posted by The Silent H on Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:14 am
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Donnyman wrote:
Please would you consider that the way this works is SKY show various sports on their English SKY TV channels and this attracts English PAYING subscribers to those channels, thus creating an additional income stream to add to the English companies PAYING to advertise English products? I pay my subs and I consider buying and do buy (some of) the products and services advertised. So the whole business plan and economics of it is SKY getting in advertising revenue from England and subscriptions from England.

So I pay £30 a month or whatever, and fancy a go at some of the beers that are on the adverts. I also like to watch English clubs. Maybe that's just me but a recent survey in Hull showed 80% of fans having no interest in phoney North American clubs. What they want from SKY is Hull.v.HKR and not Hull.v.Toronto and no HKR????? So you are totally wrong with respect and as far as I can work out. SKY care about English fans paying them subs and English advertisers getting English RL fans buying their English goods and services. You have to think about the income SKY would get from say 10 English clubs in Superleague against say 5 English SL clubs plus TWP, Ottawa, New York, Catalans and Toulouse in Superleague?.

I agree about "ratings" but if you chuck Cas, Wakey, Salford, Fartown and HKR out, and send their players abroad to dress up as French and North american players that's a hell of a lot of SKY subs lost and TV dishes ripped of the wall and weighed in at the scrapyard by angry fans vowing they are finished with Rugby league. You have fallen for the constant mantra that TWP are not only glamorous but attractive the world over. They have hoodwinked you my good man. Why not go to the next Hull Derby and discuss one of the Hull clubs standing down for TWP with the fans??.

Take a bodyguard with you.

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