Re: Jackson Hastings? : Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:04 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

This story is all gossip. No hard evidence. The kind of yellow journalism that Gutterfax loves to give credibility to

7 pages of discussion on the Pie Board and not a dickie-bird from the man himself. Strong rumours that he's being courted by Bankstown as a stop gap for Foran, who's shoulder is blown and will miss all of 2020. Ian Lenegan as said JH is due to join the club in Late December, but he's "at home" at the moment and not tweeting, which is strange, because he's normally all over social media!

BTW. I find it odd that a poster who hasn't been on here for 54 months can give credibility to anything

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:03 pm  

KingRoss11 wrote:

It’s come from the horses mouth that his contract clause is at the end of the first season, you seriously think wigan would spend months negotiating and pay him 250,000 a y year just to let him walk before he’s put on the shirt? If he leaves before he’s played whoever wants him will have to pay a big fee as he’s UNDER CONTRACT. It’s not that hard to understand you stick to the small clubs where you could only dream of signing a top class player

Unfortunately, the fee is often determined by the context.
First and foremost, the length of time still remaining on a player’s contract. In this case, it’s only one year given his NRL release clause.
Secondly, whilst it’s frustrating, the player’s wishes impact massively on the fee. If Hastings has told Wigan he’s not leaving Australia, there’s not a great deal they can do but take whatever they are offered for him. In reality, they cannot compel him to get on a plane, come back to the UK and play for Wigan against his wishes.
Nor would they want to, as I can’t imagine they want someone who doesn’t want to be there.
I also doubt Wigan will go down the legal route. Taking legal action for BoC against someone who isn’t even in the country is complex and likely to fail. Even if he was in the UK, the club would have to prove they have suffered financial loss as a result of his BoC. That’s very difficult in this case as there is actually a financial gain for Wigan because they won’t be paying his salary!
As before, the card Wigan have is his registration. They need to hope the NRL don’t allow a club to register him without agreeing a fee for this. But let’s be realistic, Hastings and any club who want to register him have almost all the cards stacked in the favour.

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:19 pm  

KingRoss11 wrote:

It’s come from the horses mouth that his contract clause is at the end of the first season, you seriously think wigan would spend months negotiating and pay him 250,000 a y year just to let him walk before he’s put on the shirt? If he leaves before he’s played whoever wants him will have to pay a big fee as he’s UNDER CONTRACT. It’s not that hard to understand you stick to the small clubs where you could only dream of signing a top class player

Does it really, bet you can’t prove it can you? Immediately making it gash.

Bradford spent years perusing that particular avenue against Leeds, remind us all how that turned out.

Let’s get one thing straight, contracts are part of a remuneration package and as such fall under employment laws. Wigan and the RFL can huff and puff all they want but they can’t make a person work for a company they don’t want to work for, end of. Any attempts to punish said individual would be considered as discriminatory and it would be Wigan and the RFL in the dock not Hastings.

The only thing Wigan would be legally entitled to would be any upfront costs, wage advances that kind of thing.

But hey you carry on believing that Wigan’s word is the law and see where it gets you.

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:27 pm  

Fishermanscap wrote:

Does it really, bet you can’t prove it can you? Immediately making it gash.

Bradford spent years perusing that particular avenue against Leeds, remind us all how that turned out.

Let’s get one thing straight, contracts are part of a remuneration package and as such fall under employment laws. Wigan and the RFL can huff and puff all they want but they can’t make a person work for a company they don’t want to work for, end of. Any attempts to punish said individual would be considered as discriminatory and it would be Wigan and the RFL in the dock not Hastings.

The only thing Wigan would be legally entitled to would be any upfront costs, wage advances that kind of thing.

But hey you carry on believing that Wigan’s word is the law and see where it gets you.

It’s a bit more complicated that that, though.
You’re right, Wigan can’t make Hastings work for them through force. Slavery was ended years ago. They also can’t prevent him from working elsewhere. The NRL can refuse to let another club register him whilst Wigan hold his registration, but Wigan themselves have absolutely no legal basis for preventing him working for another company.
Why they can do sue him for BoC. They’d need to prove that they suffered a financial loss as a result of his BoC though. It’s never an easy thing to quantify, as of course they actually gain financially through not having to pay his wages. It’s completely impossible to quantify a financial loss based on supposition and prediction. They can’t turn around and claim that losing him will cost them a Grand Final appearance or a certain proportion of season tickets. All this is also made more complicated when the said ex-employee is no longer in the UK.

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:29 pm  

AXE2GRIND wrote:

7 pages of discussion on the Pie Board and not a dickie-bird from the man himself. Strong rumours that he's being courted by Bankstown as a stop gap for Foran, who's shoulder is blown and will miss all of 2020. Ian Lenegan as said JH is due to join the club in Late December, but he's "at home" at the moment and not tweeting, which is strange, because he's normally all over social media!

BTW. I find it odd that a poster who hasn't been on here for 54 months can give credibility to anything

Agreed, he'll know about the rumours, so he should silence them surely ?
Or maybe he'll just turn up for training with Wigan, and that will be the answer !

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:03 am  

Its like Shaun Edwards all over again lol.

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:04 am  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

This story is all gossip. No hard evidence. The kind of yellow journalism that Gutterfax loves to give credibility to

Hastings would not be wanting to stiff Wigan in order to stay at impoverished Salford, playing in front of meagre crowds. If there is any truth to the gossip, it would be an NRL club or Toronto Wolfpack offering him a contract. However all the NRL clubs seem to have their halves signed and sealed now.

You mean like Alan Shearer did at Newcastle United or Matt Le Tissier did at Southampton? Playing for a club they loved and potentially dismissing any opportunity to win trophies at "bigger" clubs in order to be happy?

Imagine that eh? Someone playing for the love of a shirt and not just a fancy villa, a nice bottle of vin rouge and a top up to their pension fund.

PS. If Hastings didn't pull on the Wigan shirt would this be a record for the "Wigan Walk" to be performed before a match, rather than the customary 50-60 minute mark?

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:15 am  

Aussie player in "homesick shocker", not the first and wont be the last.
Fundamentally however, it is wrong that any player can sign a contract and then just walk away (unless there is a major injury problem).

Bit of a problem for Wigan though, maybe they will sign Matty Smith from Catalan ?

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:02 pm  

Sounds to me like this could come down to another blunder by either Lenaghen of Radlinski.

Hastings sounded out by the Doggies. His agent goes through his new contract with Wigan with a fine tooth comb - finds a breach in the agreement regarding the press release where Hastings didn't want the release to be made until after his duties with Salford were complete. Something so small could derail the contract.

Re: Jackson Hastings? : Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:42 pm  

Fishermanscap wrote: Does it really, bet you can’t prove it can you? Immediately making it gash. Bradford spent years perusing that particular avenue against Leeds, remind us all how that turned out. Let’s get one thing straight, contracts are part of a remuneration package and as such fall under employment laws. Wigan and the RFL can huff and puff all they want but they can’t make a person work for a company they don’t want to work for, end of. Any attempts to punish said individual would be considered as discriminatory and it would be Wigan and the RFL in the dock not Hastings. The only thing Wigan would be legally entitled to would be any upfront costs, wage advances that kind of thing. But hey you carry on believing that Wigan’s word is the law and see where it gets you. https://www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2019 ... -a-warrior "Hastings’ two-year deal with the Warriors will see him become the Club’s Marquee player, and his deal also includes an NRL get-out clause in the second year of the contract."

Fishermanscap wrote: Does it really, bet you can’t prove it can you? Immediately making it gash. Bradford spent years perusing that particular avenue against Leeds, remind us all how that turned out. Let’s get one thing straight, contracts are part of a remuneration package and as such fall under employment laws. Wigan and the RFL can huff and puff all they want but they can’t make a person work for a company they don’t want to work for, end of. Any attempts to punish said individual would be considered as discriminatory and it would be Wigan and the RFL in the dock not Hastings. The only thing Wigan would be legally entitled to would be any upfront costs, wage advances that kind of thing. But hey you carry on believing that Wigan’s word is the law and see where it gets you. https://www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2019 ... -a-warrior "Hastings’ two-year deal with the Warriors will see him become the Club’s Marquee player, and his deal also includes an NRL get-out clause in the second year of the contract."