Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:27 pm  

IR80 wrote:

Toronto hasn't failed, yet, TO will never work, the same as Keighley getting a SL place, and there is way more RL tradition in Keighley than Toulouse.

Rugby league has been played in Toulouse for over 80 years. There is a rugby league tradition in Toulouse.

Have you checked recently the average number of fans who attend Toulouse home games and the average number of fans who attend Keighley home games? Go and check. And in which decade of the previous century did Keighley last attract over 6,000 to a home game? Toulouse did it in 2019. Go and check. Because like most flat cap anti expansionists you are fact free and utterly clueless.

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:09 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

Rugby league has been played in Toulouse for over 80 years. There is a rugby league tradition in Toulouse.

Have you checked recently the average number of fans who attend Toulouse home games and the average number of fans who attend Keighley home games? Go and check. And in which decade of the previous century did Keighley last attract over 6,000 to a home game? Toulouse did it in 2019. Go and check. Because like most flat cap anti expansionists you are fact free and utterly clueless.

Did you see their paltry crowd v Featherstone Rovers in the Championship Grand Final Qualifier, I doubt you even watched it, but there wasn't even 2K on.
I have nothing against them at all, play an exciting brand of rugby, not full of imports etc. Let's just see how it goes in 2020 for them, before you start with your propaganda about TOXIII. You never heard of Cougarmania back in Australia mate ?, early 90's Keighley got home crowds of nearly 5K in the 2nd division (championship).

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:19 pm  

Budgiezilla wrote:

Did you see their paltry crowd v Featherstone Rovers in the Championship Grand Final Qualifier, I doubt you even watched it, but there wasn't even 2K on.
I have nothing against them at all, play an exciting brand of rugby, not full of imports etc. Let's just see how it goes in 2020 for them, before you start with your propaganda about TOXIII.

It would of been their biggest ever game too poor crowd shocking stadium not worth of been in super league

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:54 am  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

Because like most flat cap anti expansionists you are fact free and utterly clueless.

BOOM.......THERE GOES ANOTHER

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:56 am  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

Rugby league has been played in Toulouse for over 80 years. There is a rugby league tradition in Toulouse.

Have you checked recently the average number of fans who attend Toulouse home games and the average number of fans who attend Keighley home games? Go and check. And in which decade of the previous century did Keighley last attract over 6,000 to a home game? Toulouse did it in 2019. Go and check. Because like most flat cap anti expansionists you are fact free and utterly clueless.

Which country are you pretending to be in today Walter?

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:46 am  

IR80 wrote:

Which country are you pretending to be in today Walter?

It's not pretend, it's really happening, well at least in his head anyway.

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:22 am  

Budgiezilla wrote:

Did you see their paltry crowd v Featherstone Rovers in the Championship Grand Final Qualifier, I doubt you even watched it, but there wasn't even 2K on.
I have nothing against them at all, play an exciting brand of rugby, not full of imports etc. Let's just see how it goes in 2020 for them, before you start with your propaganda about TOXIII.

If it helps Toulouse averaged 2300 crowds (notwithstanding allegations of them inflating this). Soccer and Rugby Union in the city average 16-18,000 so Toulouse are a distant third. For a good number of years now since they made a straight enquiry about getting into Superleague, they have been toiling to have actual French players in their team as much as possible as Superleague bosses fed up with Catalans having a largely English/Aussie team asked them to do this. They were also asked for a TV deal, and the existing French deal for Catalans could have gone up with the addition of Toulouse to SL but of course the phoney TWP got in the way, so now there is no deal.

As with TWP and as you know good sir, attendances are nothing to do with possible entry to Superleague - the requirement is to produce pro/SL level quality players and get TV deals which neither club does. Toulouse don't have a rich backer either (they say once in SL backing will come) so I suppose they are a french version of Halifax. If TO were to put themselves forward for Superleague then Halifax, Fev, Bradford, Widnes and Leigh should all apply as they are certainly better qualified on the correct criteria than Toulouse.

As I am sure you appreciate, but I say it for any dreamers reading, expansion isn't putting clubs clubs 900 to 9000 miles away into SL, but a small but noisy band of alleged RL fans, plus two RL paper editors and a dual personality & gender victim, seemingly think it is?

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:15 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

If it helps Toulouse averaged 2300 crowds (notwithstanding allegations of them inflating this). Soccer and Rugby Union in the city average 16-18,000 so Toulouse are a distant third. For a good number of years now since they made a straight enquiry about getting into Superleague, they have been toiling to have actual French players in their team as much as possible as Superleague bosses fed up with Catalans having a largely English/Aussie team asked them to do this. They were also asked for a TV deal, and the existing French deal for Catalans could have gone up with the addition of Toulouse to SL but of course the phoney TWP got in the way, so now there is no deal.

As with TWP and as you know good sir, attendances are nothing to do with possible entry to Superleague - the requirement is to produce pro/SL level quality players and get TV deals which neither club does. Toulouse don't have a rich backer either (they say once in SL backing will come) so I suppose they are a french version of Halifax. If TO were to put themselves forward for Superleague then Halifax, Fev, Bradford, Widnes and Leigh should all apply as they are certainly better qualified on the correct criteria than Toulouse.

As I am sure you appreciate, but I say it for any dreamers reading, expansion isn't putting clubs clubs 900 to 9000 miles away into SL, but a small but noisy band of alleged RL fans, plus two RL paper editors and a dual personality & gender victim, seemingly think it is?

As my fellow Celt Mark Evans said to Dave Woods on the BBC a few months ago, if you're the third most watched sport in a city it really is a massive struggle, i felt he was suggesting that they should stop playing, look at the Melbourne Rebels, the Western Force, Mark is a former CEO of the Melbourne Storm. Is there really any point of Yorkshire Carnegie? I'm not including international cities like London and New York here, cities under 2 or 3 million people.

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:50 pm  

WelshRL&RUwatcher wrote:

As my fellow Celt Mark Evans said to Dave Woods on the BBC a few months ago, if you're the third most watched sport in a city it really is a massive struggle, i felt he was suggesting that they should stop playing, look at the Melbourne Rebels, the Western Force, Mark is a former CEO of the Melbourne Storm. Is there really any point of Yorkshire Carnegie? I'm not including international cities like London and New York here, cities under 2 or 3 million people.

I appreciate the difficulties of Leeds Carnegie up against BOTH Leeds United and Leeds Rhinos - they have no chance.

But why good sir, does the principle not apply to London where London Broncos are up against a myriad of top sports clubs? is it really any different in New York where New York RL will be up against New York Mets, New York Yankees, Brooklyn Nets, New York Nicks, New York Giants, New York Jets, New jersey devils, New York islanders, New York Rangers, New York city, New York Red Bulls and SKY Blue FC.

I suggest New York RL have something much bigger than a "massive struggle" in front of them. Happy new year my friend, thank you for your kind replies, and if anyone wants a New Years resolution of substance (especially editors of RL rags and mags) then I suggest you resolve to stop taking the American Dream seriously and start to question these people??

Re: Talksport this afternoon. TV deal news : Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:27 am  

WelshRL&RUwatcher wrote:

As my fellow Celt Mark Evans said to Dave Woods on the BBC a few months ago, if you're the third most watched sport in a city it really is a massive struggle, i felt he was suggesting that they should stop playing, look at the Melbourne Rebels, the Western Force, Mark is a former CEO of the Melbourne Storm. Is there really any point of Yorkshire Carnegie? I'm not including international cities like London and New York here, cities under 2 or 3 million people.

1. Evans was more than just the CEO of The Storm. He was the man at Quins that welcomed RL into the fold, he was the brains behind the big game that now fills twickenham each xmas, his company were employed by the RFL to promote the 2013 RLWC Double Header and he was one of a key team of business leaders tasked with cutting the Fox/NRL cord from the storm....as well as increasing gates.....all of which he did splendidly.
2. In terms of footfall at games, the Storm (18,200) are third behind the Victory (18,600) and the fumblers. The "kick it in the net" lot have a second side in the city and the derby drew 33k this year and we all know that the fumblers turn out in huge numbers, but the Storm have done well, persevered and have started to build a solid following.
3. I said (in 2002 first IIRC) that if RL wanted a team in London and SKY were not just treating us like a cheap filler, then the ownership of the Broncos should have been 50/50 the RFL and the broadcaster. The reality was Sky just wanted something else to show, ideally in summer and we get where we are now, 100% beholding to them and at their mercy.