Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:54 pm  

Well said roopy we near teams like this to make people see what ruby league is all about and if they can get their players up to speed and ready for super league we can then move to 14 teams or more with more players

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:04 pm  

Someday wrote:

Well said roopy we near teams like this to make people see what ruby league is all about and if they can get their players up to speed and ready for super league we can then move to 14 teams or more with more players

They will need to do some rapid work to have any of their own players SL ready in that timescale.
Despite the previous poster suggesting that there are 1000 RL players in the area, how good are any of these players ?
If they were up to Championship quality, some would already be over here. It's more likely that they are of conference standard, enjoying a game on a Saturday afternoon.
The reality is that the new N. American clubs will be taking the bulk of their players from the UK, topped out with "Aussie" players.

The reality is that for each club formed in N. America, there will be a casualty in the UK.
Best case scenario is a SL club playing part time in the Championship and worst case is the demise of a "heartland" club to facilitate a N. American side.
Some would say this is a price worth paying and IF the game were to take off over there then, in the grand scheme of things it may be but, lets not kid ourselves that there will be a championship or SL club in N. America with and "home grown players on their roster- this would take 10/15 years.

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:26 pm  

I suppose you would have to hope that eventually there will be stand alone North American league producing its own players otherwise Superleague will finish up as a part time game once more & scratching round for players to complete fixtures.
Hopefully, an American league would help to solve the marketing problems that superleague struggles to deal with & give the game a higher profile.

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:57 pm  

ninearches wrote:

I suppose you would have to hope that eventually there will be stand alone North American league producing its own players otherwise Superleague will finish up as a part time game once more & scratching round for players to complete fixtures.
Hopefully, an American league would help to solve the marketing problems that superleague struggles to deal with & give the game a higher profile.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few years.
There are some seriously well of people involved in US sport, that make those in charge of clubs over here look like paupers and when they (US owners) start to cherry pick the UK talent and affect the big 4/5 clubs over here.
As for a stand alone comp over there, this wont be remotely possible for 25+ years

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:10 pm  

roopy wrote: Rugby League has been played in and around New York for 20 years now and they have had junior programmes running at times in places like Rhode Island and Delaware. They have had a handful of players with NRL experience over the years, and even SOO rep Daniel Wagon for a few years. Several American born players have also played or trained with qld cup and strong country sides in Australia like Helensburg in the Illawarra comp. One winger, Smith was his name if I remember correctly, trained with Parramatta for a pre season after he scored a good try playing for USA against Australia. There are at least a thousand guys in New York or surrounding areas who have played more league at a higher level than most people on this forum. When you whiners are talking down Canada, you can make some fair points about them only playing League for 3 years or so, but guys from the New England area in America toured Australia as far back as the early 2000's and played games against teams like Saint George reserves in Sydney, Wyong Roos in Wyong and played 7s against teams like South Sydney, Lebanon and Fiji at Russell Crowe's comp in Coffs harbour (I was at all those games). In short, League is alive and well in New York. You could remove the references to New York/North America and replace them with SW France and it'd be more accurate. Elite 1 has a heavy smattering of ANZACS and PI's, but the main difference is that the American sides currently in existence resemble the Hammersmith Hills Hoists more than say Villeneuve. Pub sides (and make no mistake, that's what these are) are reliant on transient players. A perfect example would be that 3 of these sides were unable to field full teams in games this season, including 2 games of the 4 conference semi-finals. Hey. Don't get me wrong. Amateur RL as a pastime for 8 weeks in summer may be doing OK, but I'd say your 1,000 players of a high standard in NYC is a stretch at best and the thing being discussed here isn't about amateur players or even "slightly older" ANZACS, but a professional side, being touted by a Gym Teacher who used to print programs using an online portal, with names being pulled from nowhere. Not sure what American Immigration officials will make of Todd Carney for instance https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/11/24/new-york-city-to-follow-storm-model-as-they-follow-wolfpack-trail/ To be clear here, Tony Feasey was the guy in charge of the NZ Police RL side and has taken that side on tours to North America. That's pretty much his qualification. As for him claiming that they will look to follow the Storm's model, it is estimated that the Storm were shedding $20,000,000 a year for the first 5 years and that they were still losing $8,000,000 a year after a decade. There's not one Victorian player in the Storms squad as named for the Storm for the coming season, but this amateur side tour manager and the PE instructor will pluck Americans out of thin air (whilst checking on French, English and Kolpak players, as well as NRL heritage players with Irish Grannies). They have repeatedly claimed a hotel chain and Airline, but named neither. I'd love to see NYC, playing to packed houses in the Red Bull Stadium, but anyone who thinks that the London Leisure market is crowded should have a long hard look at what's on offer in NYC.

roopy wrote: Rugby League has been played in and around New York for 20 years now and they have had junior programmes running at times in places like Rhode Island and Delaware. They have had a handful of players with NRL experience over the years, and even SOO rep Daniel Wagon for a few years. Several American born players have also played or trained with qld cup and strong country sides in Australia like Helensburg in the Illawarra comp. One winger, Smith was his name if I remember correctly, trained with Parramatta for a pre season after he scored a good try playing for USA against Australia. There are at least a thousand guys in New York or surrounding areas who have played more league at a higher level than most people on this forum. When you whiners are talking down Canada, you can make some fair points about them only playing League for 3 years or so, but guys from the New England area in America toured Australia as far back as the early 2000's and played games against teams like Saint George reserves in Sydney, Wyong Roos in Wyong and played 7s against teams like South Sydney, Lebanon and Fiji at Russell Crowe's comp in Coffs harbour (I was at all those games). In short, League is alive and well in New York. You could remove the references to New York/North America and replace them with SW France and it'd be more accurate. Elite 1 has a heavy smattering of ANZACS and PI's, but the main difference is that the American sides currently in existence resemble the Hammersmith Hills Hoists more than say Villeneuve. Pub sides (and make no mistake, that's what these are) are reliant on transient players. A perfect example would be that 3 of these sides were unable to field full teams in games this season, including 2 games of the 4 conference semi-finals. Hey. Don't get me wrong. Amateur RL as a pastime for 8 weeks in summer may be doing OK, but I'd say your 1,000 players of a high standard in NYC is a stretch at best and the thing being discussed here isn't about amateur players or even "slightly older" ANZACS, but a professional side, being touted by a Gym Teacher who used to print programs using an online portal, with names being pulled from nowhere. Not sure what American Immigration officials will make of Todd Carney for instance https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/11/24/new-york-city-to-follow-storm-model-as-they-follow-wolfpack-trail/ To be clear here, Tony Feasey was the guy in charge of the NZ Police RL side and has taken that side on tours to North America. That's pretty much his qualification. As for him claiming that they will look to follow the Storm's model, it is estimated that the Storm were shedding $20,000,000 a year for the first 5 years and that they were still losing $8,000,000 a year after a decade. There's not one Victorian player in the Storms squad as named for the Storm for the coming season, but this amateur side tour manager and the PE instructor will pluck Americans out of thin air (whilst checking on French, English and Kolpak players, as well as NRL heritage players with Irish Grannies). They have repeatedly claimed a hotel chain and Airline, but named neither. I'd love to see NYC, playing to packed houses in the Red Bull Stadium, but anyone who thinks that the London Leisure market is crowded should have a long hard look at what's on offer in NYC.

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:07 pm  

Donnyman wrote:

You don't appear to be enamoured with Total.RL.COM, what on earth did they do to you?

They banned him for being an obnoxious troublemaker. That is why he calls it "TotalFascistRL.com"

If he was banned on here, as he should be, then he would probably go to the Australian illiterates forum, Front Row Forum, and denounce this site as "RLFascistFans.com"

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:59 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

They banned him for being an obnoxious troublemaker. That is why he calls it "TotalFascistRL.com"

If he was banned on here, as he should be, then he would probably go to the Australian illiterates forum, Front Row Forum, and denounce this site as "RLFascistFans.com"

You do seem a little preoccupied with me of late buddy? I'd say I was flattered, but I would't know which one of you to thank

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:49 pm  

AXE2GRIND wrote:

You do seem a little preoccupied with me of late buddy? I'd say I was flattered, but I would't know which one of you to thank

I am pleased to see that you didn't dispute my assertions.

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:49 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

Why should it worry me? You are making it sound like New York targeting players is a new thing and never happened before. Teams are always sniffing around our players.

Oh dear I may have got things a bit confused here and reading the Salary cap regulations hasn't helped me!! I was worried that rich overseas clubs could take our very best here using the two "marquee signings allowances" and Saints have a few of the very best!! Mr. Wrencat knows his stuff and he indicates that our very best players can be taken by rich NA clubs?

Any simple explanation of how it works would be welcome!! just how far can the NA clubs take the best players developed here? In short can three or four rich NA clubs take the best six or eight English players?? It's bad enough producing great players here and them going to Rugby Union and the NRL, without them going to North America as well. I know they will stay in the same league if they sign for NA clubs, but this would surely still create tremendous resentment?

Re: New York are bolted on... : Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:04 pm  

JEAN CAPDOUZE wrote:

I am pleased to see that you didn't dispute my assertions.

No. I didn't pay any heed to them because like your assertions, here there and everywhere under various guises , they are wide of the mark!