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Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:57 am
Posted by rollin thunder on Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:57 am
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wrencat1873 wrote:
Never mind sneaking into the 8's or play offs.
Just like Wigan during the Fielden / Radlinski era, the overspend possibly saved them from relegation and if the punishment is a £10k fine, EVERY club that is in a position to cheat will do so without a second thought.
I dont accept the "administrative error" excuse either, their error was getting caught, not that a £10k fine is any deterrent.

Elstone's public sympathy for Wigan last season tells you everything you need to know. He had all but reversed the points deduction before their appeal was heard.


So you think Wigan going out and signing the then considered best forward in the world is the equivalent of Leeds giving a full time deal to Luke Briscoe. And that saved Leeds from relegation. Wow bitter or what.
Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:05 am
Posted by [Gareth] on Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:05 am
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rollin thunder wrote:
So you think Wigan going out and signing the then considered best forward in the world is the equivalent of Leeds giving a full time deal to Luke Briscoe. And that saved Leeds from relegation. Wow bitter or what.


Wigan didnt break the salary cap for that year, HTH
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Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:48 am
Posted by rollin thunder on Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:48 am
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[Gareth] wrote:
Wigan didnt break the salary cap for that year, HTH

Yes they did, fielded and others allegedly played for nothing and where given big salaries the following year, hence Wigan where fined for breaking the spirit of the cap.

Massive difference between Wigan doing this and Koukash deliberately breaking the cap by 100k at Salford and bragging about it.

Fact us Leeds have made a mistake just like Wigan did and have received the agreed punishment set by all the clubs. Job done move in. It maybe does open a wider debate on the merits of the cap, I am for one am in favour of a huge cap increase maybe 2.8milluin finite cap (no marquee) but with a zero tolerance policy on over spends
Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:58 am
Posted by [Gareth] on Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:58 am
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rollin thunder wrote:
Yes they did, fielded and others allegedly played for nothing and where given big salaries the following year, hence Wigan where fined for breaking the spirit of the cap.

Massive difference between Wigan doing this and Koukash deliberately breaking the cap by 100k at Salford and bragging about it.

Fact us Leeds have made a mistake just like Wigan did and have received the agreed punishment set by all the clubs. Job done move in. It maybe does open a wider debate on the merits of the cap, I am for one am in favour of a huge cap increase maybe 2.8milluin finite cap (no marquee) but with a zero tolerance policy on over spends


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Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:11 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:11 am
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rollin thunder wrote:
So you think Wigan going out and signing the then considered best forward in the world is the equivalent of Leeds giving a full time deal to Luke Briscoe. And that saved Leeds from relegation. Wow bitter or what.


Why bitter ?

There is no doubt whatsoever that Leeds were desperately shuffling their squad to avoid the possibility of the MPG.
It's a total cop out to sight "an administrative error", when people are employed to work on these things and this seems to indicate that the "live" cap doesn't quite work.

Of course Leeds didn't go for the Wigan style of blow the bank and then laugh as their legal team ran rings around the SL legal team and have their points deduction halved or, in the more recent case, get in the ear of Robert Elstone, who spoke up for them in advance of their hearing - something that is just wrong and in the real world would have prejudiced the case.

A £10k fine is almost a green light for other clubs to flout the rules.

Probably time to just do away with the cap and save everyone time effort and blushes.
Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:38 am
Posted by rollin thunder on Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:38 am
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wrencat1873 wrote:
Why bitter ?

There is no doubt whatsoever that Leeds were desperately shuffling their squad to avoid the possibility of the MPG.
It's a total cop out to sight "an administrative error", when people are employed to work on these things and this seems to indicate that the "live" cap doesn't quite work.

Of course Leeds didn't go for the Wigan style of blow the bank and then laugh as their legal team ran rings around the SL legal team and have their points deduction halved or, in the more recent case, get in the ear of Robert Elstone, who spoke up for them in advance of their hearing - something that is just wrong and in the real world would have prejudiced the case.

A £10k fine is almost a green light for other clubs to flout the rules.

Probably time to just do away with the cap and save everyone time effort and blushes.


Clearly a wider debate needs to happen regarding he cap, as i stated i am in favour of just increasing the cap with no marquee no other dispensations, and then gave a zero tolerance for breaking it.
Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:48 am
Posted by snowie on Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:48 am
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rollin thunder wrote:
Clearly a wider debate needs to happen regarding he cap, as i stated i am in favour of just increasing the cap with no marquee no other dispensations, and then gave a zero tolerance for breaking it.
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Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:49 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:49 am
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rollin thunder wrote:
Clearly a wider debate needs to happen regarding he cap, as i stated i am in favour of just increasing the cap with no marquee no other dispensations, and then gave a zero tolerance for breaking it.


If there is effectively no punishment for breeching the cap then (a 10k fine is not any kind of punishment and it was even less for Wigan), there is no point in having it.
As for zero tolerance :lol: more like zero balls :oops:
Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:22 am
Posted by Big Jim Slade on Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:22 am
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I said when Wigan were let off for their cap breach that the only suitable deterrent is a points deduction and I'm not going to be a hypocrite and change that stance just because I'm a Leeds fan.

Deliberate or an oversight doesn't matter one bit, there's no excuse for multi-million pound organisations making an error on something so clear cut. The RFL need to grow some balls and punish the likes of Wigan and Leeds. £1 over should be punished. £50,000 over could potentially change your entire season and should be punished harshly.
Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach
Post Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:33 pm
Posted by Him on Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:33 pm
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Big Jim Slade wrote:
I said when Wigan were let off for their cap breach that the only suitable deterrent is a points deduction and I'm not going to be a hypocrite and change that stance just because I'm a Leeds fan.

Deliberate or an oversight doesn't matter one bit, there's no excuse for multi-million pound organisations making an error on something so clear cut. The RFL need to grow some balls and punish the likes of Wigan and Leeds. £1 over should be punished. £50,000 over could potentially change your entire season and should be punished harshly.

Yep the biggest clubs in our game have both claimed admin errors. Either the method in which the clubs report the cap is fiendishly complicated or the clubs simply aren’t giving it enough attention. Either way it’s up to the clubs to sort out.

Or of course they’re lying and it’s deliberate. Either way a points deduction would incentivise compliance/improving the cap reporting much more than a fine.
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