Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:28 am  

rugbyreddog wrote:

RU seem to have a better system. Saracens have just been fined £5.3 mill and docked 35 points.

After failing to disclose payments to players in 16-17, 17-18 and 18-19.

Big difference.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:38 am  

The current superleague champions will be playing Toronto at saracens ground next season

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:21 pm  

rugbyreddog wrote:

RU seem to have a better system. Saracens have just been fined £5.3 mill and docked 35 points.

For a far, far bigger offence.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:17 pm  

Him wrote:

For a far, far bigger offence.

Cap Breach = Cap Breach.
I think the point is that Union patently have a determination to inflict real hardship, no matter who breaks the cap, whilst we just pussyfoot around. Imagine if leeds had been docked 35 points...they'd be relegated and need to come back up, but until we grow a set, the likes of Leeds and Wigan will break the rules thinking they are bigger than the game, which they probably are if we are honest.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:32 am  

Him wrote:

For a far, far bigger offence.

It was but a salary cap breach should never result in just a fine, it doesn't make sense. Even a £1 breach should be points deduction of some sort otherwise it juts becomes a financial decision to go over.

A club wants to spend 50k over the cap knowing it will only receive a 50k fine, if they can afford 100k it then why not.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:14 am  

barham red wrote:

It was but a salary cap breach should never result in just a fine, it doesn't make sense. Even a £1 breach should be points deduction of some sort otherwise it juts becomes a financial decision to go over.

A club wants to spend 50k over the cap knowing it will only receive a 50k fine, if they can afford 100k it then why not.

All theoretical, wilfully going over the cap by £50k will make little or no difference to the team. Hiding player benefits to pool top talent who ordinarily would not fit under the cap for a few season is a completely different matter. I think it's about right as we have it,maybe a slight tweak where by if it's under an agreed amount you get an equivalent fine and it is deducted off next years total.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:45 am  

AXE2GRIND wrote:

Cap Breach = Cap Breach.
the likes of Leeds and Wigan will break the rules thinking they are bigger than the game,

And Salford, Wakefield, St Helens, Halifax, Hull FC and Bradford.....

But yeah, that doesn't necessarily fit the "big bad Leeds & Wigan" narrative.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:59 am  

bramleyrhino wrote:

And Salford, Wakefield, St Helens, Halifax, Hull FC and Bradford.....

But yeah, that doesn't necessarily fit the "big bad Leeds & Wigan" narrative.

You mention all of those clubs but, which of them have transgressed under the live cap
Back in the early days, although the cap was in operation, for the smaller clubs not able to spend the full cap, this was set under an unknown level of income, if you like guesswork, which certainly hasn't been the case for Leeds and Wigan, both of whom, can spend the maximum cap.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:43 am  

AXE2GRIND wrote:

Cap Breach = Cap Breach.
I think the point is that Union patently have a determination to inflict real hardship, no matter who breaks the cap, whilst we just pussyfoot around. Imagine if leeds had been docked 35 points...they'd be relegated and need to come back up, but until we grow a set, the likes of Leeds and Wigan will break the rules thinking they are bigger than the game, which they probably are if we are honest.

No it doesn’t. That’s nonsense. A punishment for a cap breach should be proportionate to the size and nature of the breach.

All breaches should carry a points deduction but that’s where the similarities to this Union case should end. Neither the Wigan nor the Leeds breach are deserving of anything close to this kind of punishment. A 2 point deduction and fine is perfectly sufficient as a deterrence. With punishments increasing if the same clubs offend again.

As for thinking they are bigger than the game you just make yourself look daft with that comment as plenty of clubs have broken the cap.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:46 am  

barham red wrote:

It was but a salary cap breach should never result in just a fine, it doesn't make sense. Even a £1 breach should be points deduction of some sort otherwise it juts becomes a financial decision to go over.

A club wants to spend 50k over the cap knowing it will only receive a 50k fine, if they can afford 100k it then why not.

Agreed. All breaches however small should carry a points deduction.