Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:15 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Said it before, there should be a tiered system for dealing with SC breaches whereby the offending club are punished based on two factors - the extent of the breach and previous offences within he last 10 years.
Breach under 25k - 2 point deduction
Breach between 25k and 50k - 4 point deduction.
Breach between 50k and 75k - 6 point deduction.
And so in in bands of 25k - each 25k costing the club 2 more competition points.

For the second offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x2.
For the third offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x3, etc etc.

Admin error or deliberate, over the cap is over the cap. It’s given the offending club an advantage over the other clubs and should inevitably come with a penalty that goes towards rectifying this - a points deduction.

Totally agree. This would be a great idea. I should also add that , the sc should be raised to at least £2.5m and get rid of this stupid marquee crap.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:20 am  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Said it before, there should be a tiered system for dealing with SC breaches whereby the offending club are punished based on two factors - the extent of the breach and previous offences within he last 10 years.
Breach under 25k - 2 point deduction
Breach between 25k and 50k - 4 point deduction.
Breach between 50k and 75k - 6 point deduction.
And so in in bands of 25k - each 25k costing the club 2 more competition points.

For the second offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x2.
For the third offence within a ten-year period, the penalty should be x3, etc etc.

Admin error or deliberate, over the cap is over the cap. It’s given the offending club an advantage over the other clubs and should inevitably come with a penalty that goes towards rectifying this - a points deduction.

Seems fair to me!

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:25 am  

rollin thunder wrote:

So you think Wigan going out and signing the then considered best forward in the world is the equivalent of Leeds giving a full time deal to Luke Briscoe. And that saved Leeds from relegation. Wow bitter or what.

I work with one! They've never got over '68!

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:10 am  

The problem is accountability. The two people who have declared the ‘oversight’ should be sanctioned for misconduct and/or mismanagement. We hold players, coaches and referees to standard and sanction them for failing to adhere to basic principles, CEO’s/Finance Directors etc should be also. It’s financial mismanagement at best, which is evidence of not having the appropriate skills or experience to do the job. If it’s not mismanagement, it’s deliberate misconduct, which is a breach of trust.


The cap doesn’t work because it’s not policed. Nobody cares these days. Fans are up oh arms, but realistically, £10k is the difference between promoting a kid to the first team or not. It has zero impact on the top 25 players, coaches and staff.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:24 am  

ryano wrote:

I work with one! They've never got over '68!

I know that it's difficult sometimes but, do try and keep up

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:27 am  

ryano wrote:

Seems fair to me!

There already is a tiered system and all the clubs agreed to it being implemented, that why Leeds infringment resulted in a fine. You may not like it, but the super league clubs who know more about the complexity of the cap all think thats a fair outcome for a minor first time infringement.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:21 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

Don't bring Wire into this....stick to all the cheats.

Who else as broken the salary cap...

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:30 pm  

Barbed Wire wrote:

The problem is accountability. The two people who have declared the ‘oversight’ should be sanctioned for misconduct and/or mismanagement.

Who should issue that sanction?

Certified accountants have a professional body to oversee their compliance with appropriate financial conduct rules and regulations - although as an aside, that never seems to stop PWC, E&Y, DeLoitte etc producing shonky accounts that say whatever you need them to, providing you have enough cash to pay for their silence; nonetheless, the RFL would not be in a position to sanction an accountant or FD or whomever was 'responsible' for inputting the numbers. It would be wildly unfair and totally inappropriate.

The sanction must be on the club - and where it hurts - right in the SL points; a 10k fine for multiple breaches of the cap is a joke - and is no disincentive whatsoever. One could even argue that if your club had a chance to secure SL status by breaching the cap at risk of only a 10k fine, and they didn't do so, the CEO would be guilty of dereliction of duty.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:17 am  

RU seem to have a better system. Saracens have just been fined £5.3 mill and docked 35 points.

Re: Leeds Salary Cap Breach : Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:27 am  

rugbyreddog wrote:

RU seem to have a better system. Saracens have just been fined £5.3 mill and docked 35 points.

And points deduction can only be applied in the current season