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Post Wed May 29, 2019 10:10 pm
Posted by TrinTrin on Wed May 29, 2019 10:10 pm
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First of all, why should the game promote money to be spent outside the UK - loss of promoting wealth here ?
Cities & people deserve money & job generation here, not generating lost revenue ?
2nd, apart from a few people/persons - supporters of each club that has plenty of disposable income ( after cost of living ) families would be excluded - financially as would most on low incomes, highly unfair.
However, the RFL. Would say it's brilliant for expansion with little thought of exclusion.
All of this format will be compounded if & when american & Canadian + French clubs take up places in the next few years. There will not be enough supporters to constantly travel to away games & reciprocal those coming to UK
Some of this expansion looks ill thought out, long term ! ????
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 4:34 am
Posted by Call Me God on Thu May 30, 2019 4:34 am
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TrinTrin wrote:
First of all, why should the game promote money to be spent outside the UK - loss of promoting wealth here ?
Cities & people deserve money & job generation here, not generating lost revenue ?
2nd, apart from a few people/persons - supporters of each club that has plenty of disposable income ( after cost of living ) families would be excluded - financially as would most on low incomes, highly unfair.
However, the RFL. Would say it's brilliant for expansion with little thought of exclusion.
All of this format will be compounded if & when american & Canadian + French clubs take up places in the next few years. There will not be enough supporters to constantly travel to away games & reciprocal those coming to UK
Some of this expansion looks ill thought out, long term ! ????

In other codes of football, fans seem tomhabe less problem travelling abroad and more often too...... But yet again, the idea of travelling outside of a couple of bus rides causes angst in RL
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 4:57 am
Posted by Beverley red on Thu May 30, 2019 4:57 am
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TrinTrin wrote:
First of all, why should the game promote money to be spent outside the UK - loss of promoting wealth here ?
Cities & people deserve money & job generation here, not generating lost revenue ?
2nd, apart from a few people/persons - supporters of each club that has plenty of disposable income ( after cost of living ) families would be excluded - financially as would most on low incomes, highly unfair.
However, the RFL. Would say it's brilliant for expansion with little thought of exclusion.
All of this format will be compounded if & when american & Canadian + French clubs take up places in the next few years. There will not be enough supporters to constantly travel to away games & reciprocal those coming to UK
Some of this expansion looks ill thought out, long term ! ????

Whilst our game is watched & supported by people who cannot afford to travel, pay a reasonable price to keep clubs afloat we are trapped in a cycle of decline.
The game is now a business not a pastime. Why should it subsidise those that cannot afford to pay? The only way the poorest will enjoy the game is if wee ever achieve a mass audience where every one is fighting to get a slice of the action(as with soccer). If taking the magic weekend to ( insert country of your choice) then so be it.
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 5:44 am
Posted by wire-quin on Thu May 30, 2019 5:44 am
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Beverley red wrote:
Whilst our game is watched & supported by people who cannot afford to travel, pay a reasonable price to keep clubs afloat we are trapped in a cycle of decline.
The game is now a business not a pastime. Why should it subsidise those that cannot afford to pay? The only way the poorest will enjoy the game is if wee ever achieve a mass audience where every one is fighting to get a slice of the action(as with soccer). If taking the magic weekend to ( insert country of your choice) then so be it.


Agreed sadly TrinTrin is Ralph Rimmer
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 7:04 am
Posted by TrinTrin on Thu May 30, 2019 7:04 am
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Good answers then, seems the opinion is "get lost then" this way forward only ! As for being insulted of being a Ralph Rimmer, why get personal & a put down, stick to points of/at issue, and if as people quite rightly in their opinion, why should the few that can afford subsidise those that cannot afford constant high price travel, including those that already do not visit our home teams ! - - then that is what the fewer supporters will have to do, as clubs even so called bigger club s will have to do, get used to lower gates due to less travelling supporters - matter of financial facts.
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 7:59 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Thu May 30, 2019 7:59 am
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There is a balance to be struck on where to stage "Magic" and there has to be some kind of purpose behind where it is held.

There is little doubt that some of the magic has gone and whether this is because of venue, the kind of games being played (ie big derby games) or, general apathy from fans, it's difficult to know.

When you think about the attendances, 30,000 per day (approx.) isn't great, especially when the event is close to the heartlands and this year, pretty much on the doorstep of 3 of Super Leagues "big" clubs.

It's quite sad that the usual 10,000 plus home crowds for these 3 clubs aren't interested in a short trip down the road to watch a "festival" of RL and we should be asking WHY.

Certainly, holding an event like this with half the cities roads closed for the marathon was just daft and there should be more thought given to the fans.
Very few want to sit though 3 games, especially in such cramped seats. So, there has to be something else, with in easy reach, to "entertain" them.

As for moving "magic" abroad, why not ?

However, there needs to be a nucleus of interested fans, plus easy access and travel for fans from over here.

Of course, if there was an appetite from the "locals", this is no problem but, there has to be a fair amount of certainty that the event wont flop.

Where would "we" want to go ?

The Nou Camp, Barcelona or Paris would be excellent locations plus maybe Dublin, Glasgow or Cardiff.
The one thing for sure is that the game does need new fans, ideally from outside the heartlands because, as we are, the same fans are being asked to pay out more and more each year to keep the game afloat and while there are plenty of fans with decent amounts of disposable income, there are many that cant afford to attend all of the events that there are and this is before our friends from North America join the big time.
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 8:26 am
Posted by Fantastic Mr Catpiss on Thu May 30, 2019 8:26 am
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Get rid of it, you get rid of magic weekend, you'll see an increase in challenge cup attendances.

Not saying its back to sell outs but it'll certainly go up by a few thousand neutrals
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 9:03 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Thu May 30, 2019 9:03 am
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Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:
Get rid of it, you get rid of magic weekend, you'll see an increase in challenge cup attendances.

Not saying its back to sell outs but it'll certainly go up by a few thousand neutrals


I dont follow your logic with that one.
The main reason for the fall off in interest in the Cup Final is that we hade The Grand Final as the end of season show piece event.
Back in the day, the end of the season was the Challenge Cup Final and what a great celebration of RL it was, something that will never come back.

Wembley was pretty much the only major event and packed full of neutrals from every club in the country (plus the fans of the two finalists) whereas now, those neutrals have so much more choice in which RL "event" they wish to attend.
Magic, Summer bash, a trip to France and/ or Canada, Grand Final, International fixtures etc, etc and the harsh reality is that they cant / wont attend every one.

Getting back to the Challenge Cup.
Despite the success of Bradford and Halifax this time around, with SL clubs (apart from the bottom 4) coming into the comp so late, the romance of the cup has long since disappeared and apart from the chance meeting of 2 big clubs, which would attract a decent attendance, the only way to significantly increase attendances would be to include Challenge Cup fixtures within season tickets, although this would be grossly unfair on the smaller clubs.
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 9:08 am
Posted by infamous grouse on Thu May 30, 2019 9:08 am
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What's the capacity at Catalans ground.
They have a lot of enthusiastic local supporters and most of the visiting English fans who go seem to have a good time.
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Post Thu May 30, 2019 9:17 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Thu May 30, 2019 9:17 am
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infamous grouse wrote:
What's the capacity at Catalans ground.
They have a lot of enthusiastic local supporters and most of the visiting English fans who go seem to have a good time.


Somewhere approaching 13,000
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