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Re: Gale done for 2019
Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:22 pm
Posted by TheUnassumingBadger on Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:22 pm
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I assume that in this deal, the players wages are to be paid by the loan club (i.e. cas paying Rankins wage)? I can't see what's in it for Hudds otherwise, I know Rankin was one of the highest paid players there and I can't see them wanting to bring Wardle in for effectively the same money.

I'm not sure what Wardle was on at Cas but they are potentially increasing the wage bill if they are paying Rankin.
Re: Gale done for 2019
Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:02 pm
Posted by cas all the way on Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:02 pm
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TheUnassumingBadger wrote:
I assume that in this deal, the players wages are to be paid by the loan club (i.e. cas paying Rankins wage)? I can't see what's in it for Hudds otherwise, I know Rankin was one of the highest paid players there and I can't see them wanting to bring Wardle in for effectively the same money.

I'm not sure what Wardle was on at Cas but they are potentially increasing the wage bill if they are paying Rankin.

Wardle was very high paid at Cas. Overpaid.
Re: Gale done for 2019
Post Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:26 pm
Posted by Ruune Rebellion on Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:26 pm
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And to think everying single cas fan had a pop at Wigan re the fielden signing but now it’s ok for them to cheat the cap
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Re: Gale done for 2019
Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:12 am
Posted by steadygetyerboots-on on Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:12 am
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I think a lot of people are confusing what they think the rules/laws around the salary cap should be & what they actually are.
Salary cap relief is an option available to every team in SL, providing certain conditions are met. Cas are not getting any kind of preferential treatment; we are merely making use of an obscure/rarely used option.
I liken it to the salary cap itself. A great number of people believe the salary cap is a fixed number that cannot be broken. However, there are exemptions/dispensations such as the club trained player, player welfare, returning talent, international status, educational needs, new talent & marquee status. All of this dispensations can be used by any club, but aren’t. Equally; use of these exemptions will take a club over the “salary cap”; are they cheating? No; they are taking advantage of options available to every club should they wish to pursue them. This exemption Cas are utilising is no different.
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Re: Gale done for 2019
Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:00 am
Posted by ThePrinter on Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:00 am
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steadygetyerboots-on wrote:
I think a lot of people are confusing what they think the rules/laws around the salary cap should be & what they actually are.
Salary cap relief is an option available to every team in SL, providing certain conditions are met. Cas are not getting any kind of preferential treatment; we are merely making use of an obscure/rarely used option.
I liken it to the salary cap itself. A great number of people believe the salary cap is a fixed number that cannot be broken. However, there are exemptions/dispensations such as the club trained player, player welfare, returning talent, international status, educational needs, new talent & marquee status. All of this dispensations can be used by any club, but aren’t. Equally; use of these exemptions will take a club over the “salary cap”; are they cheating? No; they are taking advantage of options available to every club should they wish to pursue them. This exemption Cas are utilising is no different.


No, people understand the rule and that dispensation can be allowed in certain circumstances, the question is whether picking up an injury in training should be one of these circumstances.
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Re: Gale done for 2019
Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:20 am
Posted by Tigerade on Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:20 am
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Ruune Rebellion wrote:
And to think everying single cas fan had a pop at Wigan re the fielden signing but now it’s ok for them to cheat the cap


Wigan signing Feilden was blatant cheating. Cas Tigers taking Gale off the salary cap was approved by the RFL. Big difference.
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Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:29 am
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No, people understand the rule and that dispensation can be allowed in certain circumstances, the question is whether picking up an injury in training should be one of these circumstances.


And the RFL have decided on that, so what you, I or anyone else thinks, is irrelevant.
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Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:52 am
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steadygetyerboots-on wrote:
And the RFL have decided on that, so what you, I or anyone else thinks, is irrelevant.


Ahh yes because no one, including from your club have (or will in the future) criticised or questioned an RFL decision.
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Re: Gale done for 2019
Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:02 pm
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Nowhere have I said you can’t question or criticise! You really would be better off talking to yourself; though I’m sure you’d still find an argument where there isn’t one!
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Re: Gale done for 2019
Post Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:55 pm
Posted by Fully on Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:55 pm
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People don’t seem to understand the difference between two scenarios:

One where a player plays in competitive games and gets injured either for the rest of the season, or a long period of time with a chance of returning. In both scenarios, the exemption would be unavailable because the player has played in a salary cap game, eg the Challenge Cup or Super League.

Gale is out for the season. To all intents and purposes he’s nothing more than a club employee. He may as well be sat in the Media department. He will not participate in any club game at all in 2019. Therefore, his salary shouldn’t (and rightly so for any player who doesn’t play in SL/CC that year) count on the salary cap until he can make a playing return. Otherwise you would argue that all clubs should be counting all reserves and academy players outside the top 25 on the cap too because they are being paid by the club.

The only way that Gale could return this season to account for his salary is if they make and clear the appropriate space to accommodate his salary. Given his injury is likely to be 6 months plus 2 months rehab for a pre-existing injury to his knee last year, it takes us to September. It’s unlikely Cas will risk him returning with no match fitness and preseason and 12 months spent on the sideline, and even then we would have to be both in the top 5 and playoffs for him to have a chance, albeit pointless.

Therefore in the same vein you wouldn’t count a signing for 2020 in 2019, Gale’s salary shouldn’t count. Not only does it put any club, not just Cas, at a disadvantage by having money tied up in a player who can’t do anything, it also means that the clubs do not have the flexibility to be able to get cover in should further injuries occur during the season. Even if they did, it’s likely the exemption would be granted anyway so what’s the difference?

For those suggesting Gale shouldn’t still count because he’s still employed, wow. Where’s the moral compass? Cas should terminate his contract to get rid of his salary? The bloke has just suffered a serious injury that could potentially not only affect this season but jeopardise his entire career. He has a family and mortgage to pay just like the majority of us on here. You get sick pay when you are ill from work. Cas should do the right thing by their employee and that is stick by him and support him both financially and mentally.

We aren’t having an advantage over any other club. We are still spending the same salary cap on players who can play as any other club, and can only pay the same amount as others. Gale’s salary is nothing more than an off-field salary now until he is ready to return, which probably be January 2020.

Personally I see no issue with exemptions for season-long injuries providing they are season-long and occur in pre-season. Those that happen in season have still contributed to the club’s season, even if it happens in the first game. That’s unfortunate but they have still played. This is more than likely come out in the wash because of the high profile nature and speculation, and because Cas have confirmed it. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that no other club hasn’t ever used such exemptions in the past and even it would be their choice not to exercise it.

Cas have clearly justified sufficiently that Gale will play no part through medical evidence and with specific rules about any return too placed on them.
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