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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:10 pm
Posted by Mr Dog on Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:10 pm
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christopher wrote:
I think you're missing a massive point and that the clubs don't know on what day/date, people have lives outside of RL and as a Season Ticket holder it is ridiculous that you don't know on what day 7 of your included fixtures will be. It's not about a clubs lack of ability to market the games its a ridiculous situation for them to be in.


So when you buy your season ticket you know the date and time of every home league game?
Re: Loop fixtures
Post Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:14 pm
Posted by ThePrinter on Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:14 pm
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christopher wrote:
It's ridiculous to ask a club to sell Season Tickets when you can't tell them when 7 games that are included in that are going to be


How many people do you think didn’t buy a season ticket in October-January because they didn’t know whether they’d be playing at home on the weekend of the 7th of September or the 14th of September instead?
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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:36 pm
Posted by Shifty Cat on Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:36 pm
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bramleyrhino wrote:
Season tickets are only one part of the equation; they're a foundation upon which to build. Are you telling me that 16 days isn't long enough to try and attract and grow the more casual crowd? As CMG said, clubs know they have these 3-4 games to slot into the calendar - it's not hard to come up with 3-4 event-specific campaigns.

The fact that one club that's part of the "junta" can't manage to appear in Google for a simple query about their hospitality packages for this season suggests that it IS a lack or marketing ability at fault here, not the S8s.


Bit unfair to have a go at Wakefield and compare them against the likes of Leeds, when you consider the resources of both clubs and especially the fact that Leeds is by some distance the biggest City in SL, which team has had also the most success, with a huge backer too boot. They obvlously have the resouces and the number of employees behind the scenes to be ahead of many other teams when it comes to marketing the side.
No doubt Wakefield can improve in this area and have done in practically all other areas of how the Club's run, in just the last few years under Carter. But for you to continually pull mainly Wakefield up seems a bit of an agenda tbh.
Leeds themselves could and should do better considering the size of the City you sit in. As well as other well supported successful Clubs with big backers like Wigan and Saints etc. But I suppose Wakefield's an easy target compared to say Hudds for example with it's modern ground and rich backer, who could afford to employ plenty of marketing men to do a good job for them.
Re: Loop fixtures
Post Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:06 pm
Posted by bramleyrhino on Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:06 pm
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Bit unfair to have a go at Wakefield and compare them against the likes of Leeds, when you consider the resources of both clubs and especially the fact that Leeds is by some distance the biggest City in SL, which team has had also the most success, with a huge backer too boot. They obvlously have the resouces and the number of employees behind the scenes to be ahead of many other teams when it comes to marketing the side.
No doubt Wakefield can improve in this area and have done in practically all other areas of how the Club's run, in just the last few years under Carter. But for you to continually pull mainly Wakefield up seems a bit of an agenda tbh.
Leeds themselves could and should do better considering the size of the City you sit in. As well as other well supported successful Clubs with big backers like Wigan and Saints etc. But I suppose Wakefield's an easy target compared to say Hudds for example with it's modern ground and rich backer, who could afford to employ plenty of marketing men to do a good job for them.


I'm not comparing anyone to Leeds. You did that by yourself.

What I am saying is that is wrong of Carter (or any other chairman, CEO or owner) to use the structure as an excuse for his clubs commercial success (or lack of).

When you can't even rank in Google for the thing that you publicly claim you're struggling to sell, it's an indication of how hard you're trying to sell it.
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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:36 pm
Posted by Psychedelic Casual on Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:36 pm
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Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:
The play offs are also set to go back to the top 5 system (despite the hissy fits when Leeds won it from 5th), which often results in the same two teams meeting twice in the play offs.

This change along with loop fixtures means you could look forward to playing the same team 7 times in one season, how ridiculous. Get 14 teams in Super League and stop the loop fixtures nonsense.

Teams to meet 7 times.
1 pre season friendly, 3 times in the regular season, 1 cup game, 2 play off games.

There were no hissy fits, and it was about fifth from a different structure not a top5.

Just look at St George in the NRL. They had a mickey easy game against Brisbane, are full of confidence and now play a beaten up Souths who had a mommoth of a game against Melbourne. Is StG beat Souths they will feel full of confidence, form and good flow against a team who hasn’t had a game for two weeks and may have lost their flow.

I’m not saying St George will do owt in these play-offs but finishing 5th is the best way to get the the GF for me in that format for me.
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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:10 pm
Posted by Call Me God on Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:10 pm
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christopher wrote:
It's ridiculous to ask a club to sell Season Tickets when you can't tell them when 7 games that are included in that are going to be

It's quite reasonable actually.

Any club that can't plan a marketing campaign and launch it the second the fixtures are confirmed shouldn't be in Super League. Any club that claims they can't sell corporate packages with 15 days notice shouldn't be in Superleague and any club with a sub 5k home attendance average shouldn't be in Superleague.
Michael Carter has bigger problems than flogging posh nosh at a fortnights notice.....sub 5k gates to start with!
JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES?????
£20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000.
The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover.

There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT:
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Post Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:22 pm
Posted by Sir Kevin Sinfield on Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:22 pm
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Call Me God wrote:
It's quite reasonable actually.

Any club that can't plan a marketing campaign and launch it the second the fixtures are confirmed shouldn't be in Super League. Any club that claims they can't sell corporate packages with 15 days notice shouldn't be in Superleague and any club with a sub 5k home attendance average shouldn't be in Superleague.
Michael Carter has bigger problems than flogging posh nosh at a fortnights notice.....sub 5k gates to start with!

Agreed, Salford, Widnes and Wakefield out.
Re: Loop fixtures
Post Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:28 pm
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Psychedelic Casual wrote:
There were no hissy fits, and it was about fifth from a different structure not a top5.

Just look at St George in the NRL. They had a mickey easy game against Brisbane, are full of confidence and now play a beaten up Souths who had a mommoth of a game against Melbourne. Is StG beat Souths they will feel full of confidence, form and good flow against a team who hasn’t had a game for two weeks and may have lost their flow.

I’m not saying St George will do owt in these play-offs but finishing 5th is the best way to get the the GF for me in that format for me.


So easy that ONLY Leeds managed to reach let alone win a GF from 5th (or the similar 6th spot) in 6 seasons.
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Re: Loop fixtures
Post Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:32 am
Posted by rollin thunder on Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:32 am
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ThePrinter wrote:
How many people do you think didn’t buy a season ticket in October-January because they didn’t know whether they’d be playing at home on the weekend of the 7th of September or the 14th of September instead?

I did not, and it was a decision totally based on the fact i have ended up mussing the majority of the 8’s games over last few years as i plan my other hobbies/ holidays other commitments around the full fixture list, so this year thought sod it not worth it, and i will not get another season ticket if the 8’s are not scrapped. I know several other peaple for a fact who work shifts etr have done the same.
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Post Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:57 am
Posted by Mr Dog on Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:57 am
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rollin thunder wrote:
I did not, and it was a decision totally based on the fact i have ended up mussing the majority of the 8’s games over last few years as i plan my other hobbies/ holidays other commitments around the full fixture list, so this year thought sod it not worth it, and i will not get another season ticket if the 8’s are not scrapped. I know several other peaple for a fact who work shifts etr have done the same.


But you're quite happy to buy one despite the fact that the day and time of KOs are often changed for Sky's benefit after the fixture list has been published?
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