Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:00 pm  

hooligan27 wrote:

They may of but the league table does not lie does it wigan are second so your point is invalid

where fax are 4th and leigh are 6th

Genuine question.
Do you really think that Fax are ready for or, actually want to be in SL at present ?

My reason behind suggesting Leigh is that, as a club, they have plenty of experience in the Middle 8's and they know what it takes to get through.
Halifax have made zero impact during the middle 8's and seem to have little ambition or, ability to actually gain promotion through this format.
There are some things that they have done exceptionally well though and they should be applauded for how they go about their business, I just think they are too far behind Toronto and the current SL clubs who they are likely to be up against.

To have a shot at the MPG, they need to beat the 3 Championship contenders and at least 1 SL club.
Do you think they can/will do that ??

Of course, it's the same for Leigh but, as I said previously, only Toronto look good enough to trouble the SL sides and POSSIBLY Leigh, if they can find their best form.

As for Fax having beaten Leigh already, yippee, get the flags out but, it means rock all in terms of their push for promotion.

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:31 pm  

Fax are a part time team. Along with Fev, the intensity required in the middle eights is too much to raise a realistic challenge. Toronto, Toulouse and Leigh may cause problems if SL clubs have injuries to key personnel, an element of luck and a fair ref.

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:05 pm  

Gary Hetherington has really shown himself to be a clown through all of this. Calling it a ‘power grab’ was one of the most ridiculous things I’ve seen when you consider the power that he and Wood have had for so long. It’s thanks to himself and Wood that we are in this position so for him to come out with the rubbish he did was pathetic. He’s only bothered about himself and Leeds and through that he’s helped to bring Super League on its backside. Eamonn McManus’ statement today more than shuts down his heartfelt ‘concerns’. An idiot and if I was a Leeds fan I’d be embarrassed. However , it’s great to finally see the demise of him.

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:46 pm  

AS108 wrote: It’s thanks to himself and Wood that we are in this position so for him to come out with the rubbish he did was pathetic. He’s only bothered about himself and Leeds and through that he’s helped to bring Super League on its backside. Yes, Super League is on its backside because of the chief executive of the sports only commercially profitable club and the summer era's most successful club. Seriously give your head a shake. Wood and GH have not presided over the demise of Super League. It is the twelve Super League chairmen that have done that (admittedly with various degrees of culpability) - including the three men who sad beside Elstone. I also suspect that you're mistaken if you think that this is the demise of Hetherington. None of this works without Leeds. McMannus knows it, Elstone knows it and, most importantly, Hetherington knows it

AS108 wrote: It’s thanks to himself and Wood that we are in this position so for him to come out with the rubbish he did was pathetic. He’s only bothered about himself and Leeds and through that he’s helped to bring Super League on its backside. Yes, Super League is on its backside because of the chief executive of the sports only commercially profitable club and the summer era's most successful club. Seriously give your head a shake. Wood and GH have not presided over the demise of Super League. It is the twelve Super League chairmen that have done that (admittedly with various degrees of culpability) - including the three men who sad beside Elstone. I also suspect that you're mistaken if you think that this is the demise of Hetherington. None of this works without Leeds. McMannus knows it, Elstone knows it and, most importantly, Hetherington knows it

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:07 pm  

Leeds are in a strong position because they can both afford to take a broader view of the overall sport (Caddick is happy for them to just break even and not need his funding but Hetherington keeps posting profits). Plus, obviously, SL can't exactly ignore them not only because they are the largest club but also many of the key Super League corporate contacts and sponsors tend to start at Leeds before moving onto the wider sport (Tetleys, Engage etc).

The problems in Rugby League are very little to do with the clubs in the Championship - they are a convenient smoke screen, as to a degree are the RFL who have for the past few years provided central funding greater than ever before to the SL clubs but most of them still can't make their figures add up. Local factors are always much more important than what the RFL is up to in terms of club performance. Wigan lose hundreds of thousands of pounds each year because they have ever-falling crowds and a poor infrastructure which isn't helping them generate profits - that's not the RFL's fault and it's not Batley's fault. This lot talk about taking responsibility but will any of them admit to why their crowds are poor or why their clubs lose money?

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:48 pm  

Super league does need Leeds but nowhere near as much as Leeds need SL. SL would survive if the other 11 clubs wandered off...Toronto (or whoever) would join in taking the few half decent remaining Leeds players with them. Hetherington could then spend the entire summer putting bombs up to Golding in an empty revamped Headingley. Sure the Leeds fans would love Uncle Gary then. Be interesting to see how he reacts tomorrow to McManus when Leeds get sixty put on them.

Actually the way things are going the scrapping of the middle 8s might come too late for Leeds....now that would be funny.

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:57 pm  

ratticusfinch wrote:

Super league does need Leeds but nowhere near as much as Leeds need SL. SL would survive if the other 11 clubs wandered off....

It's a moot point as no-one is suggesting a league without Leeds but I don't imagine the other clubs would enjoy the effect on their TV deal if the best-rated club wasn't on every second week.

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:10 pm  

Guess we'll find out when Leeds get relegated in September.

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:30 pm  

bramleyrhino wrote: Yes, Super League is on its backside because of the chief executive of the sports only commercially profitable club and the summer era's most successful club. Seriously give your head a shake. Wood and GH have not presided over the demise of Super League. It is the twelve Super League chairmen that have done that (admittedly with greater degrees of culpability) - including the three men who sad beside Elstone. I also suspect that you're mistaken if you think that this is the demise of Hetherington. None of this works without Leeds. McMannus knows it, Elstone knows it and, most importantly, Hetherington knows it Although it’s obviously sarcastic, with that first paragraph you’ve, rather stupidly, backed up my point. The point is Hetherington only cares about Leeds and himself, he couldn’t care less about Super League or the game in general. So you’re suggesting that McManus, Lenagan and Moran are at fault for the demise of SL when they aren’t even in charge of the game? You’re just as much of a fool as Hetherington. Wood, Hetherington and the rest of them have all have presided over the demise of SL considering its collapsed under their watch. I don’t even know what to say about that third paragraph. Are you seriously suggesting Leeds could break away from Super League? If true and clubs are 11vs1 on key issues then Leeds don’t have a leg to stand on. Hetherington’s power is diminishing, now his mate has been ousted, and he can’t handle it. You are well and truly deluded if you think that he had a big tantrum for any other reason.

bramleyrhino wrote: Yes, Super League is on its backside because of the chief executive of the sports only commercially profitable club and the summer era's most successful club. Seriously give your head a shake. Wood and GH have not presided over the demise of Super League. It is the twelve Super League chairmen that have done that (admittedly with greater degrees of culpability) - including the three men who sad beside Elstone. I also suspect that you're mistaken if you think that this is the demise of Hetherington. None of this works without Leeds. McMannus knows it, Elstone knows it and, most importantly, Hetherington knows it Although it’s obviously sarcastic, with that first paragraph you’ve, rather stupidly, backed up my point. The point is Hetherington only cares about Leeds and himself, he couldn’t care less about Super League or the game in general. So you’re suggesting that McManus, Lenagan and Moran are at fault for the demise of SL when they aren’t even in charge of the game? You’re just as much of a fool as Hetherington. Wood, Hetherington and the rest of them have all have presided over the demise of SL considering its collapsed under their watch. I don’t even know what to say about that third paragraph. Are you seriously suggesting Leeds could break away from Super League? If true and clubs are 11vs1 on key issues then Leeds don’t have a leg to stand on. Hetherington’s power is diminishing, now his mate has been ousted, and he can’t handle it. You are well and truly deluded if you think that he had a big tantrum for any other reason.

Re: SL1 + SL2 : Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:32 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

It's a moot point as no-one is suggesting a league without Leeds but I don't imagine the other clubs would enjoy the effect on their TV deal if the best-rated club wasn't on every second week.

Except you just have.