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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:10 pm  
Totally disagree about building for the future. It’s the old trap British sport falls into. You should always play your strongest team but my all means bring hopefuls into the squad to permit smooth succession.
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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:43 pm  
Great Britain and England will never improve unless there is money put into the non-heartland areas. I have posted about this in another thread.

However it is silly to dismiss the whole squad. The demise of both Samuel Burgess and Sean O'Loughlin in the same year has been a huge blow to the team's morale. Also the presence of Thomas Makinson, Mark Percival in the outside backs, and Samuel Tomkins (who was a star of the Downer Nines) in the halves, would have given the team a much better capability in attack.

It would be silly to dismiss John Bateman and Elliot Whitehead, who are both quality players. James Graham is getting on in years, but still deserves his place and the captaincy. Thomas Burgess is also okay, even if not great. We can hope that Luke Gale will be uninjured and recover his form of 2017 when he plays at Leeds next year. Those players could provide the core of the senior players in 2020.

It is worth contemplating that if France was given the chance to strengthen its roster, by having Toulouse in Super League, and Avignon at least in the Championship before getting promoted to Super League, and if England played at least two games a year against France (one in England, one in France), then the quality of the England team would also likely improve. The astute Ian Lenagan has suggested as much. But this aspect of development is going to take a few years, even if Toulouse joins Super League in 2021, which is not guaranteed.

A stronger England and France, with the possibility of a strong Canada and USA in ten years from now, would rejuvenate the international game. We cannot rely on the South Pacific as the only place for developing the game, because the Pacific islands, including PNG, don't have the financial resources, population, or sponsorship money to make the international game more profitable. The northern hemisphere is the region where the money and people are.
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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:29 pm  
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Totally disagree about building for the future. It’s the old trap British sport falls into. You should always play your strongest team but my all means bring hopefuls into the squad to permit smooth succession.

We didn't pick the strongest squad to start with, and had either players who were out of form or out of position (sometimes both).
So much for smooth succession when you lose all four games. Bennett neither bothered with taking our strongest squad to the airport, nor bothered giving everyone in the squad game time. We got zip out of this tour, and the biggest lesson everyone's learned from it is that Bennett should be fired.
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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:48 am  
Bennett has completely undone all the good work and momentum started by McNamara.

We need to get shut now.
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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:48 am  
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We didn't pick the strongest squad to start with, and had either players who were out of form or out of position (sometimes both).
So much for smooth succession when you lose all four games. Bennett neither bothered with taking our strongest squad to the airport, nor bothered giving everyone in the squad game time. We got zip out of this tour, and the biggest lesson everyone's learned from it is that Bennett should be fired.


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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:50 am  
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Bennett has completely undone all the good work and momentum started by McNamara.

We need to get shut now.


Not necessarily true, he got us to a world cup final and won a series against NZ.
His position is pretty untenable as the GB coach now, but up until this season, he did take us forward.
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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:18 am  
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Not necessarily true, he got us to a world cup final and won a series against NZ.
His position is pretty untenable as the GB coach now, but up until this season, he did take us forward.


In fairness to McNamara he got us within one play of a WC final and also beat NZ in a test series at home so if Bennett took us forward it was minimal.
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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:32 am  
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In fairness to McNamara he got us within one play of a WC final and also beat NZ in a test series at home so if Bennett took us forward it was minimal.


And possibly piggy backing the good work done by McNamara.
I'm struggling to get over just how poor GB were yesterday, a result that would have been unimaginable until the start of the series.
Not wishing to be disrespectful about PNG, who fully deserved their win but, they are a "tier 2" RL nation, only there "to make the numbers up".
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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:44 am  
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And possibly piggy backing the good work done by McNamara.
I'm struggling to get over just how poor GB were yesterday, a result that would have been unimaginable until the start of the series.
Not wishing to be disrespectful about PNG, who fully deserved their win but, they are a "tier 2" RL nation, only there "to make the numbers up".

We are tier 2 too.
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Re: Is this the worst GB team in history? : Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:02 am  
Charlie Sheen wrote:
Not necessarily true, he got us to a world cup final and won a series against NZ.
His position is pretty untenable as the GB coach now, but up until this season, he did take us forward.


Aye, a series against NZ reserves.
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