Re: Bradford redundencies : Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:05 am  

RLBandit wrote:

A lot of people on here will scream that we shouldn't have 'benefactors' in the game.
Which is a load of garbage. Unlikely as it is, if one day some rich chinese guy loved League and wanted to plough money into Bradford we should let him go for it. For that matter he shouldn't have to worry about a hard salary cap either...provided that a) there's a limit to squad size and structure (so he can't buy all the best players, just 13 of them) b) he can't put the debt on the club, and c) 'cap' overspend is 'taxed' and put into grassroot rugby.

We need to encourage benefactors, not demonize them. Our sport lives in a fantasy world.

If benefactors help clubs to become stronger off the pitch as opposed to just buying success on it then fine, but what does happen is clubs just end up relying on them and become lazy, all that does is weaken the club, and the sport

Quins/London are an example, read some of the threads on the LB board

Unlike many other sports our SC allows us to build susstainable clubs, it just needs tge hard work to be done, look at Ian Lenagan at w1g4n, he still works heavily at marketing his club, that is where we are lacking as a sport

Re: Bradford redundencies : Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:14 am  

littlerich wrote:

I feel Voldemort Caisley's presence. The man who started the Bulls demise will be back to pick up a cheap deal. His associate was stood next to Guilfoyle at yesterday's meeting.

It's going to happen and he'll hail himself as a saviour and the RFL will lap it up and rubber stamp the new license. As you were by the end of August everyone . . . .

Well now ' Potters ' gone , he's nobody to stop him

New club for Bradford : Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:03 am  

As a Bradford fan i am sickened by the way C***ley and his puppet are treating the players,employees and supporters of this great club and dragging its once good name through the gutter. I was so proud to be a Bulls fan on Friday shouting myself hoarse at Wigan, now i am just embarrassed.
Now is the hour for all true supporters to stand up and say enough is enough and band together to try and form a new team for 2013 in Championship 1. I would rather start again in the lower leagues and have the respect of other RL fans than possibly continue in SL with certain people running the club. I can't imagine it would cost that much to raise a team for CC1, certainly not £500K!
Come on Northern Bulls!

Re: Bradford redundencies : Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:11 am  

Starbug wrote:

If benefactors help clubs to become stronger off the pitch as opposed to just buying success on it then fine, but what does happen is clubs just end up relying on them and become lazy, all that does is weaken the club, and the sport

Quins/London are an example, read some of the threads on the LB board

Unlike many other sports our SC allows us to build susstainable clubs, it just needs tge hard work to be done, look at Ian Lenagan at w1g4n, he still works heavily at marketing his club, that is where we are lacking as a sport

OK, so a slight modification:

Spend what you like, provided:

a) Club's debt/income ratio is below a to-be-decided-and-enforced fixed amount. ( Benefactors can give money to their heart's content, but not as debt)
b) In any event, no more than 13 players on > £100k
c) No more than an additional 13 on > £40k
d) For every £1 spent over a 'soft cap' of say £1.5M, an additional £1 has to be invested into an externally audited club infrastructure fund, and an additional £1 given to a grass-roots fund managed by the RFL...but please can Nigel Wood go first

That way, when I win the Euromillions rollover I can put money into the game (knowing perfectly well it's unlikely to be the greatest 'investment' ever made) via an attempt to make sure my *own team* (we're all human) is brilliant, but without being guaranteed to succeed ( I can't just sweep up any half-decent player) , and in any case, benefiting the rest of the game too.

Re: Bradford redundencies : Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:17 am  

Starbug wrote:

Well now ' Potters ' gone , he's nobody to stop him

not much has made me chuckle this morning, but that did.

Re: Bradford redundencies : Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:15 am  

We are constantly being told by the SL apologists that SL is owned and run by it's member clubs and that all the Sky money belongs to them.

How is it then that, when the smelly stuff hits the fan, it's always the RFL who they go running to and who subsequently bail them out with money from central funding?

Surely the other members of the SL Gentlemans Club are sympathetic to their plight and would be only too willing to help finance them for the rest of the season.

No? I thought not.

Re: New club for Bradford : Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:23 am  

I hope when I come back from my jollies in a couple of weeks it’s all been sorted .

The way things are going the ‘White Night’ will be able to pick the club up for next to nothing, what was the latest figure, £200k?

So the Administrator will have culled the bloated staffing dilemma, removed the unwanted players & wiped off the debt.

The new club keeps the cream of the crop, the supporters pay to get in for the rest of the season, as gratitude they’ve still got a club.

The RFL let’s them off with the loan under the Iconic status clause & reduces the rent ad infinitum.

Move along people………………………………

[Kosh]

Re: Bradford redundencies : Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:42 am  

Fax Machine wrote:

We are constantly being told by the SL apologists that SL is owned and run by it's member clubs and that all the Sky money belongs to them.

How is it then that, when the smelly stuff hits the fan, it's always the RFL who they go running to and who subsequently bail them out with money from central funding?

Where does it say that the money is coming from central funding? The only comment in the press has been that the RFL are considering an advance on monies due to Bradford from SL funds. And the reason why it's the RFL that get asked is because the clubs delegated the administration of those funds to the RFL, along with all the other administrative duties.

Fax Machine wrote:

Surely the other members of the SL Gentlemans Club are sympathetic to their plight and would be only too willing to help finance them for the rest of the season.

No? I thought not.

Apart from my point above, nobody has ever made the SL chairmen out to be some collection of altruists. Quite the opposite in fact.

Re: New club for Bradford : Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:45 am  

The Devil's Advocate wrote:

I hope when I come back from my jollies in a couple of weeks it’s all been sorted .

The way things are going the ‘White Night’ will be able to pick the club up for next to nothing, what was the latest figure, £200k?

So the Administrator will have culled the bloated staffing dilemma, removed the unwanted players & wiped off the debt.

The new club keeps the cream of the crop, the supporters pay to get in for the rest of the season, as gratitude they’ve still got a club.

The RFL let’s them off with the loan under the Iconic status clause & reduces the rent ad infinitum.

Move along people………………………………

HMRC would have something to say about that scenario. As would many of the club's supporters, by the sound of it.

Re: Bradford redundencies : Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:53 am  

Kosh wrote:

Where does it say that the money is coming from central funding? The only comment in the press has been that the RFL are considering an advance on monies due to Bradford from SL funds. And the reason why it's the RFL that get asked is because the clubs delegated the administration of those funds to the RFL, along with all the other administrative duties.

Apart from my point above, nobody has ever made the SL chairmen out to be some collection of altruists. Quite the opposite in fact.

Ah! So the RFL can not refuse to give Bradford, or any other SL club, the money as it already belongs to them. It's like when Granny gives the kids £50 each for Christmas but the parents give it to the kids a bit at a time as they'd only spend it all. I thought the BOD's of RL clubs were a little more mature and responsible than that, or maybe not.

So basically the RFL are official bankers (no, that's not rhyming slang, or maybe it is) for Superleague, are they?