Re: Team to face Australia : Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:11 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

There's a simple reason. We haven't been anywhere as good as the Aussies. I'm afraid the modern myth of the super coach is all pervasive. The team that has the best players usually wins. Nothing to do with coaching at international level. Whereas at club level it very much is.

And Japan in the Union world cup or, Iceland in the recent football debacle.
A top coach is the person who can get the best from their players. Get them in the right frame of mind and have them achieving 9.5/10 performances when they take the field.
Of course, if the coach of both teams does this then, it will come down to ability or maybe a game plan ?

You see it in lots of sports where a group of players enjoy playing and will do anything for their team, something instilled by the coaching staff and the players themselves.
Although they have to have some ability in the first instance, it certainly isn't just down to how good they are.
Also, certain players perform better with other individuals around them, again, something which a decent coach will spot.

Just because a team has the "best" 13/17 players does not mean that they will win and it's naive to think so.

Re: Team to face Australia : Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:14 pm  

Can't see many changes from the original line up vs NZ. Percival and Williams did enough, but that's it for changes I think.

Lomax
McGilvary
Watkins
Percival
Hall
Williams
Widdop
Hill
Hodgson
Graham
Whitehead
Bateman
Burgess

Clark
Burgess
Burgess
Cooper

Re: Team to face Australia : Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:03 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

we won a test series against NZ in his last set of matches, came within a whisker of making a WC final and beating both sides away from home in the two years before that so i don't see how you come to that conclusion.

If we get well beaten against the Aussies at the weekend i don't even think you can argue Bennett has taken us backwards since. He may be a great coach, no disputing his record, but i've seen absolutely nothing to make me think he has made a difference yet.

We're not exactly playing worse than under McBanana, so if anything Bennet's taking us sideways, not backwards. I wonder if Bennet wasn't Australian would such a fuss be made after two competitive games?

Re: Team to face Australia : Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:43 am  

Willzay wrote:

We're not exactly playing worse than under McBanana, so if anything Bennet's taking us sideways, not backwards. I wonder if Bennet wasn't Australian would such a fuss be made after two competitive games?

It was his "work" in front of the camera that has caused the biggest problem.
We are supposed to be trying to get more exposure and become "friends" with the media but he acted like my kids used to do, if they didn't want to be somewhere.
Having said that, if the guy can achieve World Cup success, which is why he was appointed, then, anything will be forgiven.
It was embarrassing though.

Re: Team to face Australia : Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:26 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

And Japan in the Union world cup or, Iceland in the recent football debacle.
A top coach is the person who can get the best from their players. Get them in the right frame of mind and have them achieving 9.5/10 performances when they take the field.
Of course, if the coach of both teams does this then, it will come down to ability or maybe a game plan ?

You see it in lots of sports where a group of players enjoy playing and will do anything for their team, something instilled by the coaching staff and the players themselves.
Although they have to have some ability in the first instance, it certainly isn't just down to how good they are.
Also, certain players perform better with other individuals around them, again, something which a decent coach will spot.

Just because a team has the "best" 13/17 players does not mean that they will win and it's naive to think so.

I was making the point that international coaching and club coaching are very different. Rugby League games tend to be won by the better team on most occasions. In football it is possible to organise your defence and hope for a set piece goal and win with only 20% possession. You can't really do that in RL. If you only have 20% possession you lose. Hence my belief that coaches can only achieve so much in RL.

If we are saying that motivating the team is the coaches primary focus then I really don't see Bennett being of much use to England. I hesitate to say it because I'm a Wigan fan, but Shaun Wane is really the obvious choice. Mind you, I rather hope he doesn't get offered the job, I'm sure he doesn't need the aggravation. And because of Australia's clear superiority in quality and quantity of choice he would be very unlikely to succeed.

Re: Team to face Australia : Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:33 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

It was his "work" in front of the camera that has caused the biggest problem.
We are supposed to be trying to get more exposure and become "friends" with the media but he acted like my kids used to do, if they didn't want to be somewhere.
Having said that, if the guy can achieve World Cup success, which is why he was appointed, then, anything will be forgiven.
It was embarrassing though.

Didn't McBanana get criticised for exactly the same thing in the last tournament?

Re: Team to face Australia : Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:34 am  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

If we are saying that motivating the team is the coaches primary focus then I really don't see Bennett being of much use to England.

You've attended the training sessions then? What was it like?

Re: Team to face Australia : Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:49 am  

tigertot wrote:

You've attended the training sessions then? What was it like?

I'm taking a guess mate based on his demeanour. Are all your posts well informed or do you occasionally offer opinion?

Re: Team to face Australia : Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:22 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

I'm taking a guess mate based on his demeanour. Are all your posts well informed or do you occasionally offer opinion?

My opinion is that on this issue you are talking crap. From what I have read the most successful coach in RL history is far more relaxed away from the media & doesn't have problems motivating his players.

Re: Team to face Australia : Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:53 pm  

tigertot wrote:

My opinion is that on this issue you are talking crap. From what I have read the most successful coach in RL history is far more relaxed away from the media & doesn't have problems motivating his players.

Why the need to be abusive? I am just holding an opinion, which clearly you don't agree with.