Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:11 pm  

Kosh wrote:

The RFL board issue licences based on rules decided by the clubs. They can also only expel a club if the rules - again voted on by the clubs - allow it. The clubs actually have the final say on admission to SL as they own the league pure and simple. There have already been discussions between them on the possible admission of a Bradford newco. Opinions are divided.

The RFL were give those "rights" (under the then created set of rules) when the franching system was first set-up :-
"A licence will INITIALLY be for three years however, the independent RFL Board will have the right to revoke a club’s membership if need be at any stage.
Although the reasons for this are still to be finalised it is likely to include insolvency, contractual breach, persistent under performance and possibly persistent rule breaking.
Any ‘failing’ club who has its membership removed could be replaced by a ‘successful’ club from outside engage Super League."

(Taken directly from the RFL on the formation of the licencing system.)

Clubs need to give their agreement to changes to the SuperLeague structure (eg:- adding more team, reducing numbers etc). If the RFL board pull Bulls licence, the RFL board can replace them. I agree that they would seek to do it with the agreement of the clubs, but the rules allow them to do it unilaterally.

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:34 pm  

I think you are both right.

The admission of a newco would be dependent on a vote by the SL club chairmen, the RFL have been given the right of veto.

I fully expect the clubs to vote against the re-admission for Bradford to make their displeasure clear, but full in the knowledge, and as willing participants, the RFL to wield that veto and continue the sterling job they do as a lightening rod for the conspiracy theorists, assorted yokels, and peddlers of nonsense.

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:48 pm  

What we'll find out by this process is if all clubs are treated equally, if Bradford come out of admin like Wakefield did and rebuild in that way, 4 point deduction seems fair

If they go into liquidation, I don't know what other option but relegation. If this was Widnes (my team), Castleford, Salford, Wakefield, London there'd be no debate and people would expect it, and there'd be no arguments. Just because Bradford were one of the "big four" does not give them the right to circumvent the consequences of bad management that led to liquidation

[Kosh]

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:03 pm  

mikej wrote:

If the RFL board pull Bulls licence, the RFL board can replace them. I agree that they would seek to do it with the agreement of the clubs, but the rules allow them to do it unilaterally.

But that's not what we're talking about, is it? We're talking about what happens if the current Bulls club is liquidated and a newco applies to join in their place. In that situation the power to say yes or no lies ONLY with the club chairmen - just as when the newco London club was admitted.

[Kosh]

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:05 pm  

The Lizard wrote:

What we'll find out by this process is if all clubs are treated equally, if Bradford come out of admin like Wakefield did and rebuild in that way, 4 point deduction seems fair

If they go into liquidation, I don't know what other option but relegation. If this was Widnes (my team), Castleford, Salford, Wakefield, London there'd be no debate and people would expect it, and there'd be no arguments. Just because Bradford were one of the "big four" does not give them the right to circumvent the consequences of bad management that led to liquidation

If they go into liquidation, there's no club left to relegate and all bets are off.

[Kosh]

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:08 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

I think you are both right.

The admission of a newco would be dependent on a vote by the SL club chairmen, the RFL have been given the right of veto.

I fully expect the clubs to vote against the re-admission for Bradford to make their displeasure clear, but full in the knowledge, and as willing participants, the RFL to wield that veto and continue the sterling job they do as a lightening rod for the conspiracy theorists, assorted yokels, and peddlers of nonsense.

The RFL don't have a veto. They do have a vote. If 8 clubs vote against a newco then they aren't coming in. If the vote is tied I believe that the RFL can then make an additional deciding vote one way or the other.

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:21 pm  

Kosh wrote: The RFL don't have a veto. They do have a vote. If 8 clubs vote against a newco then they aren't coming in. If the vote is tied I believe that the RFL can then make an additional deciding vote one way or the other. I think the RFL not only have the deciding vote, but also Les Catalans vote in these matters, Though i will try and find a more respectable source Five clubs are prepared to vote against them entering the competition as a new company. Two more are needed to reject the proposal — although the RFL have the power of veto and can admit the club. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -axed.html

Kosh wrote: The RFL don't have a veto. They do have a vote. If 8 clubs vote against a newco then they aren't coming in. If the vote is tied I believe that the RFL can then make an additional deciding vote one way or the other. I think the RFL not only have the deciding vote, but also Les Catalans vote in these matters, Though i will try and find a more respectable source Five clubs are prepared to vote against them entering the competition as a new company. Two more are needed to reject the proposal — although the RFL have the power of veto and can admit the club. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -axed.html

[Kosh]

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:14 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote: I think the RFL not only have the deciding vote, but also Les Catalans vote in these matters, Though i will try and find a more respectable source Five clubs are prepared to vote against them entering the competition as a new company. Two more are needed to reject the proposal — although the RFL have the power of veto and can admit the club. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -axed.html Of course Catalan can vote - they're a member of SL. The RFL do not have a power of veto. Think about it logically - if they alone had the power of veto what would be the point in having a vote at all? The sun are confusing a veto with a deciding vote. And that's also why 8 'no' votes are required and not the 7 quoted.

SmokeyTA wrote: I think the RFL not only have the deciding vote, but also Les Catalans vote in these matters, Though i will try and find a more respectable source Five clubs are prepared to vote against them entering the competition as a new company. Two more are needed to reject the proposal — although the RFL have the power of veto and can admit the club. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -axed.html Of course Catalan can vote - they're a member of SL. The RFL do not have a power of veto. Think about it logically - if they alone had the power of veto what would be the point in having a vote at all? The sun are confusing a veto with a deciding vote. And that's also why 8 'no' votes are required and not the 7 quoted.

Re: bradford bulls vote : Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:24 am  

SmokeyTA wrote: I think the RFL not only have the deciding vote, but also Les Catalans vote in these matters, Though i will try and find a more respectable source Five clubs are prepared to vote against them entering the competition as a new company. Two more are needed to reject the proposal — although the RFL have the power of veto and can admit the club. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -axed.html This isn't true. Nigel Wood was asked this in the last couple of days - the clubs do not have the power to vote on if the Bulls return to Super League. They do however have the power to vote on how many teams are in the franchise. Any decision on if we remain in Super League will be made by the RFL board.

SmokeyTA wrote: I think the RFL not only have the deciding vote, but also Les Catalans vote in these matters, Though i will try and find a more respectable source Five clubs are prepared to vote against them entering the competition as a new company. Two more are needed to reject the proposal — although the RFL have the power of veto and can admit the club. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -axed.html This isn't true. Nigel Wood was asked this in the last couple of days - the clubs do not have the power to vote on if the Bulls return to Super League. They do however have the power to vote on how many teams are in the franchise. Any decision on if we remain in Super League will be made by the RFL board.

[Kosh]

Re: bradford bulls vote : Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:27 am  

Paul124897 wrote:

This isn't true. Nigel Wood was asked this in the last couple of days - the clubs do not have the power to vote on if the Bulls return to Super League. They do however have the power to vote on how many teams are in the franchise.

Any decision on if we remain in Super League will be made by the RFL board.

Semantics. If the Bulls get liquidated then SL becomes a 13 team league, so any newco will need the vote of the club chairmen to be admitted.

If the Bulls survive administration then the clubs don't get a vote at all.