Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:23 pm  

Leaf wrote:

And maybe in the SPL teams will start to get real in terms of what they can afford to pay players etc, it will make for a more level competition and supporters will come flocking back to watch teams outside of the Old Firm (or Celtic, as they are now known in the SPL!).

Outside the old firm, the SPL is probably smaller than SL.

There only 2 stadiums in SPL (outside the old firm) that can hold over 20k, Only one club averages over 10k, 4 clubs which cant get over 5k.

The old firm is the SPL, without their Sky money they wont be able to pay the wages, it would be much worse than SL because there are a massive number of leagues where even an average scottish player can go and earn a decent living. The quality of play will fall, attendances will fall, more clubs will go bust and the scottish league will be gone. This is the beginning of the end for that league.

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:30 pm  

There appears to be two option which are getting confused.

If Bradford come through adminsitration then they will have the points deduction but will be perfectly at liberty to continue with their SL status until 2014.

If Bradford Bulls is liquidated Bradford Bulls no longer exists and therefore are no longer a SuperLeague team. The RFL will not have to do anything to remove them from SL. If Bradford Bulls is liquidated then Bradford New Co can apply to the RFL for member of SuperLeague. It is likley that the RFL will allow New Bradford to compete until the end of 2012 thus alllowing the fixtures to be completed. The RFL will then need to make a decision as to whether Bradord New Co will be permitted to stay until the next round of franchises are agreed. This is when the arguments will all start again as New Co will not have a proven financial record, will not have the relevant success history etc etc to qualify for membership as may people will lose sight of the fact that they are not Bradford Bulls any more

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:34 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

There only 2 stadiums in SL that can hold over 20k, Only one club averages over 10k, 4 clubs which cant get over 5k.
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I sure as hell hope you have missed a "P" out as there will be plenty of people from Wigan, Hull, Huddesfield, Warrington, Leeds etc who would like to join together and dispute your first two comments!

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:36 pm  

mikej wrote:

I sure as hell hope you have missed a "P" out as there will be plenty of people from Wigan, Hull, Huddesfield, Warrington, Leeds etc who would like to join together and dispute your first two comments!

I did indeed. My apologies.

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:03 pm  

Wigan Peer wrote:

Nonsense, they cheated and will pay the price. Smaller clubs will get good attendances, Rangers will have a good run of success for the fans and they will give great "press" as they come back.

The problem at Bradford is that RL, can't afford to kick the fans, because there would be no obvious route back to the top table. Coupled with the fact that the RFL own Odslum!!! No way will they be kicked out.

Incidently, if this was Wigan instead of Bradford, i wonder how many would want Wigan kicked out? Point is that many could be looking at this with biased eyes.....

I dont think as a Wigan fan, you can take any moral high ground here.
It wasn't so many seasons ago that Wigan, looked like they may finish bottom and so they drove a double decker bus through the salary cap by signing Fielden (plus Radlinski coming to their aid) and then the Wigan "suits" ran rings around the rfl and effectiveley had their punishment halved.
Talk about pot and kettle

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:06 pm  

SL is a farce. London have been warned about their crowds, Wakey & Cas their grounds, all the clubs have been told financial probity is paramount yet no-one is actually punished for failing to deliver on their promises.
If we're going to have a franchise system (which I disagree with) Wakey should have been given the boot for going into administration, Bradford should be given the boot, Cas and Wakey (again) should get the boot if the stadiums don't materialise and London should get the boot if their crowds don't go up.
Alternatively we could behave like a sport and have success on the pitch determine which division a club is in.

[Kosh]

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:42 pm  

mikej wrote:

If Bradford Bulls is liquidated then Bradford New Co can apply to the RFL for member of SuperLeague. It is likley that the RFL will allow New Bradford to compete until the end of 2012 thus alllowing the fixtures to be completed. The RFL will then need to make a decision as to whether Bradord New Co will be permitted to stay until the next round of franchises are agreed. This is when the arguments will all start again as New Co will not have a proven financial record, will not have the relevant success history etc etc to qualify for membership as may people will lose sight of the fact that they are not Bradford Bulls any more

The RFL won't be making any decisions as they don't own SL. Any newco will need to be voted in by the remaining member clubs who do on SL. The RFL can lobby for or against but the club chairmen will make the decision. As I mentioned earlier, the vote may be a lot closer than I thought it would be.

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:47 pm  

Kosh wrote:

The RFL won't be making any decisions as they don't own SL. Any newco will need to be voted in by the remaining member clubs who do on SL. The RFL can lobby for or against but the club chairmen will make the decision. As I mentioned earlier, the vote may be a lot closer than I thought it would be.

Its actually the RFL board who decides on licences, expulsions etc.

[Kosh]

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:49 pm  

ExiledTiger wrote:

SL is a farce.

Not really.

ExiledTiger wrote:

London have been warned about their crowds, Wakey & Cas their grounds, all the clubs have been told financial probity is paramount yet no-one is actually punished for failing to deliver on their promises.

Both Cas and Wakey have new grounds in the pipeline. Wakey have made some improvements to their existing ground. London's crowds are poor, granted, but crowds are only one aspect of SL criteria. They'll need to improve drastically in the very near future or cease to exist anyway.

ExiledTiger wrote:

If we're going to have a franchise system (which I disagree with) Wakey should have been given the boot for going into administration, Bradford should be given the boot, Cas and Wakey (again) should get the boot if the stadiums don't materialise and London should get the boot if their crowds don't go up.

Cool. You reckon you can replace all these clubs with better ones from the Championship I guess? Care to list the candidates? And while you're at it you'de better start lobbying the SL club chairmen to change the rules of their league to allow clubs to be summarily dismissed on a whim. Let me know how that goes for you.

ExiledTiger wrote:

Alternatively we could behave like a sport and have success on the pitch determine which division a club is in.

Because we never had clubs go broke under P&R. No siree bob...

[Kosh]

Re: bradford bulls vote : Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:52 pm  

mikej wrote:

Its actually the RFL board who decides on licences, expulsions etc.

The RFL board issue licences based on rules decided by the clubs. They can also only expel a club if the rules - again voted on by the clubs - allow it. The clubs actually have the final say on admission to SL as they own the league pure and simple. There have already been discussions between them on the possible admission of a Bradford newco. Opinions are divided.