FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - Come home agents Farrell and ford
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator12488No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 07 200717 years225th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
13th Oct 23 16:277th Mar 23 15:21LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Durham
Signature
Huddersfield Giants 2013 over achievers

Huddersfield Giants 2014 under achievers ??????????
Moderator

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:59 am  
It is always hard to judge how good backs are in RU,

For a start they have little influence on a game because it is largely forward dominated. Secondly they are playing on a same size pitch which has two extra players on it ( on each side)..

There are plenty of RU players who would turn into good RL players given time and training.

George North, Tommy Bowe, Farrell, Cian Healy etc
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator20374
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 04 200816 years6th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
4th Jun 24 14:354th Jun 24 16:46LINK
Milestone Posts
20000
25000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
wakefield
Signature
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha
Moderator

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:02 am  
Lots of Union players would make it. They are playing a different game now so you can't judge the skills the same.
You couldn't take a front 5 forward but the rest would be fine. They don't have to be Thurston to play Super League.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain132No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 04 20159 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
17th May 16 12:0413th Feb 16 17:16LINK
Milestone Posts
100
200
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:21 am  
Many people forget how different the games are. Just because a player is good in one code doesn't mean they will be good at the other. The front row in union certainly wouldn't cope with league. They are plodders who do little else than add weight to a scrum. As for the rest there is only one way to find out.
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach447No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 29 200717 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Oct 15 11:445th Oct 15 07:44LINK
Milestone Posts
250
500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:44 am  
And here is me thinking the OP was discussing Farrell and Ford Senior the coaches! I would say Farrell Senior has been almost Bond like in infiltrating England RFU and successfully creating the dullest back line in either code.

Welcome back Andy job done.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star5008
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 07 201410 years103rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
3rd Jun 24 18:181st Jun 24 09:24LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:06 am  
Union to League can clearly be done by exceptional players like Davies, Gibbs & Tuigamala but they are the exception that proves the rule.

Union players do not have the required skill set to switch and be successful, their game simply does not require them to!

Those who are close would not have had the years of mental conditioning to enable them to perform core skills under the pressure and intensity of League defences. Then when you add the extreme fatigue they'd suffer because of Leagues continuity and they'd go under and stay there like a Russiin Submarine.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Moderator12488No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 07 200717 years225th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
13th Oct 23 16:277th Mar 23 15:21LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Durham
Signature
Huddersfield Giants 2013 over achievers

Huddersfield Giants 2014 under achievers ??????????
Moderator

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:39 am  
The Avenger wrote:
Union to League can clearly be done by exceptional players like Davies, Gibbs & Tuigamala but they are the exception that proves the rule.

Union players do not have the required skill set to switch and be successful, their game simply does not require them to!

Those who are close would not have had the years of mental conditioning to enable them to perform core skills under the pressure and intensity of League defences. Then when you add the extreme fatigue they'd suffer because of Leagues continuity and they'd go under and stay there like a Russiin Submarine.



Ignorance and arrogance.

There are many RU forwards and backs who came to RL and have been a great success for years.

Most of them were not exceptional when they came here but became exceptional by playing, coaching and fitness/

Saints described offiah as an uncoordinated clown and would not touch him with a barge pole.

Widnes signed the clown and the rest is history.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member9721
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Aug 20 07:4927th Apr 20 15:56LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Cougarville
Signature
regards
and ENJOY your sport

Leaguefan

"The Public wants what the Public gets" - Paul Weller

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:19 pm  
Durham Giant wrote:
Ignorance and arrogance.

There are many RU forwards and backs who came to RL and have been a great success for years.

Most of them were not exceptional when they came here but became exceptional by playing, coaching and fitness/

Saints described offiah as an uncoordinated clown and would not touch him with a barge pole.

Widnes signed the clown and the rest is history.


Isn't it amazing what hard work and perseverance can achieve. Today too many clubs want the finished article without the hard work.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member9565No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
May 08 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
12th Dec 19 13:0211th Dec 19 22:00LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
10 mins walk from Suncorp Stadium

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:10 am  
Offiah was a hit in RL very quickly, not after years of hard work. Most union international outside backs would be a success in RL. Halfbacks are less convincing - scrum half in union in effect plays like a hooker in RL. When RL signed RU halfbacks a lot of them ended up playing in a different position - Davies was never that good at stand off, but brilliant in attack at fullback.

Forwards aren't that similar either, with RL forwards being far less specialised. Union front rows would generally be useless at RL, as would RL props at union. RL has no need for beanpole lineout jumpers, and compared to RU has a massive number of 7/8 style forwards.

In any event, RL won't be poaching RU players any time soon - probably never again. The main aim would be to minimise the numbers going the other way, and the bonkers selection of Burgess as a centre will hopefully dissuade both RL players and RU clubs. If they do target RL, hopefully they'll continue to sign RL players rather than target those who could more easily transition, as they'll have more failures than successes.

I have no idea how Farrell ended up being a backs coach. His international experience at stand off was similar to his son - boring and frankly looking nothing like a playmaker.
Dally 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14845No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
23rd Oct 21 15:0122nd Jul 21 09:42LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:48 am  
Durham Giant wrote:
It is always hard to judge how good backs are in RU,

For a start they have little influence on a game because it is largely forward dominated. Secondly they are playing on a same size pitch which has two extra players on it ( on each side)..

There are plenty of RU players who would turn into good RL players given time and training.

George North, Tommy Bowe, Farrell, Cian Healy etc


Thirdly, the defensive line is set at 0 metres rather than 10 (which is why the defences look better than they are).
Dally 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member14845No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 22 200122 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
23rd Oct 21 15:0122nd Jul 21 09:42LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: Come home agents Farrell and ford : Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:56 am  
Andy Farrell and the word international should not be in the same sentence. If I am correct British RLs least successful international captain ever. A knackered prop then suddenly plays in the back line for England RU in his final days as a player. Then becomes an international coach in a sport he barely played and helps create the worst ever World Cup team of a host nation. You could not make it up! He must be a hypnotist or something to get these positions!
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 82 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to The Virtual Terrace


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
8m
Todays game v Wigan
morleys_deck
93
17m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
37168
19m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
59167
28m
Rhinos Sporting Director Announcement
tad rhino
81
31m
Wembley memories
Eastern Wild
8
Recent
Wembley Stadium
Dr Dreadnoug
20
Recent
Land available
dboy
2
Recent
Bring That Trophy Home
Dr Dreadnoug
35
Recent
Fev potentially in liquidation
FIL
14
Recent
Rob Burrow RIP
Dr Dreadnoug
13
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
36s
Trip to Wembley
chip
31
53s
McMeeken To Join Trinity on a four-year deal
Prince Buste
23
57s
Barrow H
Ckt2487
25
1m
Bring That Trophy Home
Dr Dreadnoug
35
1m
Game in Hand
muttywhitedo
7
1m
Referee for Cup Final Appointed
Zig
6
1m
Todays game v Wigan
morleys_deck
93
1m
RD 13 vs Castleford Tigers H
tigertot
121
2m
Wire part 1 of 2
jaws1
140
2m
Blake austin part 12 leaving leeds
Ex-Swarcliff
38
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Wembley memories
Eastern Wild
8
TODAY
Referee for Cup Final Appointed
Zig
6
TODAY
Great Burgess Interview
Zig
1
TODAY
Peets Positivity
Zig
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Challenge Cup FINAL
Wire Weaver
6
TODAY
Departure - Friday
phe13
2
TODAY
Land available
dboy
2
TODAY
Fev potentially in liquidation
FIL
14
TODAY
Next Stop Wembley aka wigan wk 2
Lord Tony Sm
15
TODAY
Amended pick up points for club organised coaches to Wembley
FIL
7
TODAY
Rob Burrow - The Passing of a Legend
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Rob Burrow RIP
Dr Dreadnoug
13
TODAY
Rob Burrow
The Dentist
23
TODAY
ROB Burrow RIP
tyr
63
TODAY
Rob Burrow
Zig
20
TODAY
Salford Red Devils Up To Six As The Broncos Rack Up Another Loss
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Rob Burrow - The Passing of a ..
583
Salford Red Devils Up To Six A..
329
Leeds Into The Six After Derby..
469
Weakened Wigan Beat Warrington..
567
St Helens Extend Lead At The T..
625
Wigan Warriors Back Level Top ..
1687
Massive Win For The Wolves Ove..
1444
Super Saints Second Half Demol..
1345
St Helens Women Serve Cup Fina..
1732
Martin Offiah Cup Final Guest ..
1138
Warrington Wolves Destroy Hudd..
1870
Leeds Rhinos To Meet Saints At..
1725
Easy Does It As Wigan Thrash H..
1987
St Helens Cruise Past York Val..
1838
Katherine Jenkins OBE to perfo..
2664
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.59M 1,831 80,06314,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TOMORROW
State of Origin 2023-R1
11:05
New South Wales
v
Queensland
 Fri 7th Jun
National Rugby League 2024-R14
11:00
St.George
v
Wests
 Sat 8th Jun
National Rugby League 2024-R14
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Souths
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
Brisbane
v
Cronulla
Womens Challenge Cup 2024-R6
11:45
St.HelensW
v
LeedsW
Challenge Cup 2024-R9
15:00
Wigan
v
Warrington
1895 Cup 2024-R6
17:45
Wakefield
v
Sheffield
 Sun 9th Jun
National Rugby League 2024-R14
05:00
Melbourne
v
Newcastle
07:05
Penrith
v
Manly
 Mon 10th Jun
National Rugby League 2024-R14
07:00
Canterbury
v
Parramatta
 Thu 13th Jun
National Rugby League 2024-R15
10:50
Cronulla
v
Dolphins
 Fri 14th Jun
National Rugby League 2024-R15
09:00
Canberra
v
NQL Cowboys
11:00
Souths
v
Brisbane
Mens Super League XXVIII-R14
20:00
Castleford
v
Wigan
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Wed 5th Jun
SOO
11:05
New South Wales-Queensland
Sat 8th Jun
1895
17:45
Wakefield-Sheffield
WOMCC2024
11:45
St.HelensW-LeedsW
CC2024
15:00
Wigan-Warrington
Fri 14th Jun
SL
20:00
Castleford-Wigan
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Huddersfield
SL
20:00
Warrington-Salford
Sat 15th Jun
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Leeds
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leigh
Sun 16th Jun
SL
15:00
LondonB-St.Helens
Thu 20th Jun
SL
20:00
Castleford-Hull KR
Fri 21st Jun
SL
20:00
Leeds-Leigh
SL
20:00
Wigan-LondonB
Sat 22nd Jun
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Warrington
SL
17:30
Catalans-Huddersfield
Sun 23rd Jun
SL
15:00
Salford-St.Helens
Wed 26th Jun
SOO
11:05
New South Wales-Queensland
Sat 29th Jun
MINT2024
17:00
France M-England M
WINT2024
14:30
FRANCE W-ENGLAND W
Wed 17th Jul
SOO
11:05
Queensland-New South Wales
Sun 2nd Jun
SL 13 Salford34-4LondonB
WSL2024 5 York V44-4Wire W
CH 10 Batley31-18Sheffield
CH 10 Bradford36-24Barrow
CH 10 Doncaster25-25Whitehaven
CH 10 Featherstone40-42Swinton
CH 10 York18-22Widnes
L1 10 Cornwall30-6Newcastle
L1 10 Midlands18-25Keighley
L1 10 Workington22-24Hunslet
NRL 13 Sydney16-18NQL Cowboys
Sat 1st Jun
SL 13 Leeds32-4Castleford
SL 13 Warrington18-19Wigan
SL 13 Hull KR12-0Leigh
WSL2024 5 LeedsW68-0BarrowW
WSL2024 5 FeatherstoneW10-30Hudds W
CH 10 Halifax24-38Toulouse
L1 10 Crusaders24-25Oldham
NRL 13 Penrith10-22St.George
NRL 13 Dolphins25-26Canberra
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
St.Helens 13 353 136 217 20
Wigan 12 357 156 201 20
Hull KR 13 338 183 155 18
Warrington 13 320 170 150 18
Catalans 13 264 192 72 16
Salford 13 250 256 -6 16
 
Leeds 13 246 242 4 14
Huddersfield 13 274 263 11 12
Leigh 12 244 206 38 9
Castleford 13 218 406 -188 7
Hull FC 13 162 440 -278 2
LondonB 13 134 510 -376 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 10 384 100 284 20
Widnes 10 260 171 89 15
Sheffield 10 288 170 118 14
Featherstone 10 290 211 79 12
Bradford 10 229 184 45 12
Toulouse 9 224 174 50 10
 
Doncaster 10 215 227 -12 9
Swinton 10 226 270 -44 8
Batley 10 161 218 -57 8
Whitehaven 10 192 272 -80 8
Barrow 9 151 255 -104 8
York 11 201 251 -50 6
Halifax 10 170 285 -115 6
Dewsbury 11 144 303 -159 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
8m
Todays game v Wigan
morleys_deck
93
17m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
37168
19m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
59167
28m
Rhinos Sporting Director Announcement
tad rhino
81
31m
Wembley memories
Eastern Wild
8
Recent
Wembley Stadium
Dr Dreadnoug
20
Recent
Land available
dboy
2
Recent
Bring That Trophy Home
Dr Dreadnoug
35
Recent
Fev potentially in liquidation
FIL
14
Recent
Rob Burrow RIP
Dr Dreadnoug
13
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
36s
Trip to Wembley
chip
31
53s
McMeeken To Join Trinity on a four-year deal
Prince Buste
23
57s
Barrow H
Ckt2487
25
1m
Bring That Trophy Home
Dr Dreadnoug
35
1m
Game in Hand
muttywhitedo
7
1m
Referee for Cup Final Appointed
Zig
6
1m
Todays game v Wigan
morleys_deck
93
1m
RD 13 vs Castleford Tigers H
tigertot
121
2m
Wire part 1 of 2
jaws1
140
2m
Blake austin part 12 leaving leeds
Ex-Swarcliff
38
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Wembley memories
Eastern Wild
8
TODAY
Referee for Cup Final Appointed
Zig
6
TODAY
Great Burgess Interview
Zig
1
TODAY
Peets Positivity
Zig
1
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Challenge Cup FINAL
Wire Weaver
6
TODAY
Departure - Friday
phe13
2
TODAY
Land available
dboy
2
TODAY
Fev potentially in liquidation
FIL
14
TODAY
Next Stop Wembley aka wigan wk 2
Lord Tony Sm
15
TODAY
Amended pick up points for club organised coaches to Wembley
FIL
7
TODAY
Rob Burrow - The Passing of a Legend
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Rob Burrow RIP
Dr Dreadnoug
13
TODAY
Rob Burrow
The Dentist
23
TODAY
ROB Burrow RIP
tyr
63
TODAY
Rob Burrow
Zig
20
TODAY
Salford Red Devils Up To Six As The Broncos Rack Up Another Loss
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Rob Burrow - The Passing of a ..
583
Salford Red Devils Up To Six A..
329
Leeds Into The Six After Derby..
469
Weakened Wigan Beat Warrington..
567
St Helens Extend Lead At The T..
625
Wigan Warriors Back Level Top ..
1687
Massive Win For The Wolves Ove..
1444
Super Saints Second Half Demol..
1345
St Helens Women Serve Cup Fina..
1732
Martin Offiah Cup Final Guest ..
1138
Warrington Wolves Destroy Hudd..
1870
Leeds Rhinos To Meet Saints At..
1725
Easy Does It As Wigan Thrash H..
1987
St Helens Cruise Past York Val..
1838
Katherine Jenkins OBE to perfo..
2664


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!