Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:06 am  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

I personally think conferences are the way to go if there is funding to allow for 20 pro teams.

So... your solution to the issue that we haven't got 14 'competitive' teams in Super League, is to 'create' 20 competitive teams split across 2 Conferences of equal standing, with no P&R?

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:14 am  

I like the sound of that but would sky cover all the teams in both 0ne and two comps

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:56 am  

shinymcshine wrote:

So... your solution to the issue that we haven't got 14 'competitive' teams in Super League, is to 'create' 20 competitive teams split across 2 Conferences of equal standing, with no P&R?

I don’t think reducing the opportunities for players to compete at the highest level is the way to improve the standard of the player pool. Anything below SL will just become the Championship by another name so changing things seems pointless.

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:24 pm  

Khlav Kalash wrote:

I personally think conferences are the way to go if there is funding to allow for 20 pro teams.

Which is the obvious response. The problem is that there isnt enough money for 20 SL level sides. So we get people proposing this fudge of shrinking four SL sides and sticking them in the 2nd tier and pretending that will bring up the level of 6 championship sides.

This idea is literally nothing more than damaging 4 clubs in the hope it will slightly improve 6 others, as you say, it would only be the championship by another name.

It also telling that those who argue against franchising because of the damage the lack of P+R has, seem to favour a lack of P+R between SL2 and whatever is below it.

Saying that, the report itself should be taken with a massive pinch of salt considering they couldnt even get a basic fact like when the TV deal runs to correct.

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:19 pm  

Has anyone figured out how to replace the lost income from 4 home games? Or the loss in sponsorship revenue? Or the loss in ancillary revenues such as corporate packages, programmes, refreshments etc?

Has anyone considered that Sky most likely wouldn't give two hoots about a second-tier SL and therefore their TV money would also be reduced with fewer games and a reduction in sponsorship revenue?

Calling it 'Super League Two' doesn't disguise it being the Championship in another form, all you're doing is sticking 4 of the weakest SL clubs in a much weaker situation. I suppose 'SL2' might see slightly better crowds than the Championship.

And 18 rounds plus Challenge Cup plus play-offs would barely last 6 months. How can clubs be expected to survive when only operating for less than 50% of the year?

Terrible idea. Won't happen.

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:42 pm  

Just have a Yorkshire Super league & a Lancashire Super league two French teams & two London to make the rfl happy one in Yorkshire & one in Lancashire it will keep it two equal leagues top five from each league pay for grand final bottom five play for league position and paid on a sliding scale bring back Yorkshire cup & Lancashire cup and a league shield game for winer of each league as a league opener

[Wheels]

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:06 pm  

frank5613 wrote:

Just have a Yorkshire Super league & a Lancashire Super league two French teams & two London to make the rfl happy one in Yorkshire & one in Lancashire it will keep it two equal leagues top five from each league pay for grand final bottom five play for league position and paid on a sliding scale bring back Yorkshire cup & Lancashire cup and a league shield game for winer of each league as a league opener

Don't be afraid to use punctuation...

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:19 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Has anyone figured out how to replace the lost income from 4 home games? Or the loss in sponsorship revenue? Or the loss in ancillary revenues such as corporate packages, programmes, refreshments etc?

Has anyone considered that Sky most likely wouldn't give two hoots about a second-tier SL and therefore their TV money would also be reduced with fewer games and a reduction in sponsorship revenue?

Calling it 'Super League Two' doesn't disguise it being the Championship in another form, all you're doing is sticking 4 of the weakest SL clubs in a much weaker situation. I suppose 'SL2' might see slightly better crowds than the Championship.

And 18 rounds plus Challenge Cup plus play-offs would barely last 6 months. How can clubs be expected to survive when only operating for less than 50% of the year?

Terrible idea. Won't happen.

This. It's a desperate, last-ditch attempt from people like Andy Wilson who can't let the idea of P&R die. Maybe when we get to the stage where there are 20 full-time clubs then something like this could be considered, until then it's just stupid to even discuss.

[Wheels]

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:22 pm  

If there's enough TV money to go round then great! I wrote about it in February... http://www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost ... cture.html

If there's enough TV money to go round then great! I wrote about it in February... http://www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost ... cture.html

Re: Two Tier Super League A Step Closer ?? : Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:02 pm  

Wheels wrote: If there's enough TV money to go round then great! I wrote about it in February... http://www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost ... cture.html If we had enough money, we would have better uses and higher priorities for it than this.

Wheels wrote: If there's enough TV money to go round then great! I wrote about it in February... http://www.loverugbyleague.com/blogpost ... cture.html If we had enough money, we would have better uses and higher priorities for it than this.