[Bullseye]

Re: What is this about now. : Thu Nov 05, 2015 3:41 pm  

One of the indisputable laws of RL. As the team goes downhill so do the attendances and income and therefore so does the team and that downward spiral continues until someone has the cash to stop it. There is only one club that makes money in British RL.

If we're to climb back into the elite we need a Ken Davy type character. We said this back in 2012-14. While Green might be able to temporarily stop the rot it's not a long term solution - the club needs other people to come on board as partners or for some benevolent multi millionaire to come along like Davy.

I really do think 2016 is make or break. We need the central distribution and sponsorship gained by going up. If we don't go up I can see us continuing the downward spiral unless we bring in new backers.

[Bulliac]

Re: What is this about now. : Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:37 pm  

In fairness, I do feel we can 'drop back' quite a way and still be a force in this league. I do agree that if that were to occur, quite a number would decide to give up or go elsewhere, but the city is more than large enough, in my opinion, to easily keep up to a medium level club in this league - take a look at the competition, it hardly fills anyone with dread does it?, so any talk of dropping down to div 3 is way off line. Even if we dropped to 2k fans or so, it's still in line with the championship average support levels.

I've said it so many times that I'm fed up of saying it, but I don't believe there is a way back under the current set-up. When the the RFL comes to its senses and brings in a proper way to give promotion [straight P&R or an improved licensing] then I agree with Bullseye - there isn't enough money in RL, so to compete at a higher level, we would need the same kind of owner that so many other clubs have, and that means we need a 'Sugar Daddy' type who will finance for its own sake rather than look to 'run a business'. Can't see one though.

Re: What is this about now. : Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:53 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

One of the indisputable laws of RL. As the team goes downhill so do the attendances and income and therefore so does the team and that downward spiral continues until someone has the cash to stop it. There is only one club that makes money in British RL.

If we're to climb back into the elite we need a Ken Davy type character. We said this back in 2012-14. While Green might be able to temporarily stop the rot it's not a long term solution - the club needs other people to come on board as partners or for some benevolent multi millionaire to come along like Davy.

I really do think 2016 is make or break. We need the central distribution and sponsorship gained by going up. If we don't go up I can see us continuing the downward spiral unless we bring in new backers.

Possibly true several years ago. But with the increased central funding now, any team with about 8k average gate or better should be break even or make a profit. If they are a team with a low maintenance, newer stadium, designed for the corporate £, then they should have no excuses.

We were doubly unlucky in that we imploded in the year of renewed relegation, and the year before a big increase in funding kicked in.

I do note you said British RL -as Catalans are raking in 5-6million euros of sponsorship and local government grants a year, in addition to the £1.8m of TV money.

Re: What is this about now. : Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:01 pm  

I think the main thing that needs to be considered is that our expenses with regards to the stadium are far bigger than any club in the division. It would be interesting to see if we even broke even this season.

Re: What is this about now. : Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:48 pm  

Interesting that green is tweeting we've sold more season tickets than at same point last year. With issues with card machines, winding up order and ferres' articles thought we'd be well down on numbers.

Re: What is this about now. : Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:38 pm  

mat wrote:

Interesting that green is tweeting we've sold more season tickets than at same point last year. With issues with card machines, winding up order and ferres' articles thought we'd be well down on numbers.

I'm not necessarily surprised. Although there was some 'backs against the wall' drive and optimism this time last year, we'd been relegated following years of progressive decay. This time round we've had a moderately successful season, and some things to feel broadly positive about for the first time in a long long while. However, it might just be nothing but spin. At this point, who can say?

Re: What is this about now. : Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:59 am  

Interesting observations from Robbie "One of the problems we have in sports administration is that sport is emotional," he said. "It's not a retail item, it's something that makes up the spiritual fabric of your surroundings, your community and culture. "Sometimes sports administrators get drowned in the emotion and forget what the objectives of the business are." Taken from his interview here http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/737 ... ford-bulls

Interesting observations from Robbie "One of the problems we have in sports administration is that sport is emotional," he said. "It's not a retail item, it's something that makes up the spiritual fabric of your surroundings, your community and culture. "Sometimes sports administrators get drowned in the emotion and forget what the objectives of the business are." Taken from his interview here http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/737 ... ford-bulls

[Bulliac]

Re: What is this about now. : Sun Nov 08, 2015 10:43 am  

We've heard nothing from the club for a while and no-one has mentioned the 'Gazette' recently, does anyone know if the winding up order has been rescinded or is it still in force?

Re: What is this about now. : Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:50 pm  

It would be good to have something from the club to clear this up

A wall of silence simply allows people to feel uncertain / start rumours / fear the worst / make up conspiracies (delete as appropriate)

Either way, it can't be doing a lot for season ticket sales

Re: What is this about now. : Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:48 pm  

paulwalker71 wrote:

It would be good to have something from the club to clear this up

A wall of silence simply allows people to feel uncertain / start rumours / fear the worst / make up conspiracies (delete as appropriate)

Either way, it can't be doing a lot for season ticket sales

The club said it was in the hands of the legal team might not be anything else to be said at the moment.