Re: season tickets : Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:20 pm  

So it's not really "interest free monthly payments" is it? You are arranging 3rd party finance by the looks of things. Do the club know any companies that do that?

So pay £20 up front (11.5%) then £230 over 6 months.

I assume the club is transferring risk to the finance company by doing it this way?

While what was said last night was factually correct in this regard, I think it was slightly misleading.

[Bulliac]

Re: season tickets : Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:15 pm  

Starbug wrote:

I'll still bring the binoculars

If you decide to sit in the stand the best thing to bring is a pair of sunglasses and a baseball cap..

Re: season tickets : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:48 am  

Someone on the site asks the best way to pay..obviously if you can afford it straight from your bank..if not I would opt for a credit card as opposed to paying over 6 months with a £20 initial fee> which I think is the interest free Bulls deal> Tesco credit card for example for new customers has a 3 month interest free on purchases, but even if you pay back on your normal credit card and amortise the initial amount over 12 months for example at £20 per month you would only pay about £15 in interest charges. Much better than paying nearly £42 per month with interest at 8.6% flat rate. (Bulls interest free deal, I think) I thought I'd share my options with you.
COYB:

Re: season tickets : Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:46 am  

Just phoned Bulls Office re Season Tickets (at 10.30am Saturday).Recorded message from Robbie says" Unfortunately Offiice is closed but opening hours are Mon - Fri 9am-5pm and Saturdays 10am to 2 pm". The home page on Website displays the opening hours quoted by Robbie.Well its Saturday between 10 and 2. Why are you closed then?
Boy ,this Club can be very very frustrating when it comes to Customer Service; just get it right PLEASE.

Re: New Signings/Re-Signings : Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:28 am  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

The PDF for the 1863 Club details says that ALL memberships are part of the 1863 members club, from baby to Premier Club.

For Premier Club what you get over and above other categories is
(a) a seat in the central "black" section;
(b) entry to the Premier Club bar behind the stand
(c) in 2015 I am told ONLY Premier Club members can buy a car parking pass for inside the ground (£50)

thanks FA, I understood that they were all memberships of the 1863 club, which all will apart from the free game and discounts etc will also have voting rights on how money is spent, and its that element that is not being talked about. Hence a lot of false price comparisons. Its a sllight PR mess if you ask me. These are not season tickets, these are memberships of the 1863 club. I know in PR you only emphasis the positive, and being able to vote - quite how to be determined - on what the club spends its money - what and how much to determined - is a development of the Belong concept, and clearly aimed at the hard core fans that are keen to have a say. OK promised it, Marc Green is - to be determined how much - delivering it. The website does not say season ticket, it says membership, the difference being the voting rights unique in RL. So the question is whether in a couple of months the non-voting season tickets will be issued, with no or limited benefits. and theres the PR dilemma, you cannot say these are not season tickets because clearly they want to sell as many of these as possible. If it were me I would have had a bit more of an idea about the voting to put in front of fans from the outset. Certainly it needs to be proportional voting as a £330 ticket should get more voting rights than a £25 one. And your thoughts on this whole voting issue would I am certain be welcome by other RAB viewers, no sarcasm or cynicism whatsover, it needs a l-eagle eyed mind to pick over the potential issues and practicabilities.

Thanks for confirming the additional benefits of the Premier club, again in pr terms the justification of the extra cost is just not there. But I am sure it will be sharpened up pretty quickly, MG will be right on the ball with this one as it is critical to our success.

Re: New Signings/Re-Signings : Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:40 am  

martinwildbull wrote:

..And your thoughts on this whole voting issue would I am certain be welcome by other RAB viewers, no sarcasm or cynicism whatsover, it needs a l-eagle eyed mind to pick over the potential issues and practicabilities.

Thanks for confirming the additional benefits of the Premier club, again in pr terms the justification of the extra cost is just not there. But I am sure it will be sharpened up pretty quickly, MG will be right on the ball with this one as it is critical to our success.

I'm not that bothered about the voting thing tbh, I don't care if I only get the same vote as people who pay less, and if you have a situation where you can effectively buy votes, you're getting a bit like the government. Doubt there's any chance of power to make binding or major decisions so I don't see it as any biggie really. They may surprise me.

As for Premier Club justification, I'm old enough sadly to have been a "Vice President" when they first brought this concept in. The name is itself over-grand, but was I think chosen to big people up, and certainly in those days, the VPs were made to feel as if they had got something extra, just for example we had that neat little bar opposite the ticket office. And car parking in the ground was included.

I set out what we "get" but really getting the "opportunity" to spend an extra fifty quid to park is about it, as the Premier Club bar is no great shakes and is really only an advantage on very busy games when the regular bar has long queues. I don't even count the black seats since once you pay in to the stand, nobody will stop you sitting in the black seats, whether you paid to do so or not, so (stand sellout games excepted) that is not relevant. (I assume they will not be so terminally stupid as to pen all speccies into the stand, though if they did then that would obviously be different).

There is no doubt at all that the change to Premier Club was a retrograde step for members, and you're right, the cost isn't justified. The diehard Premier members just pay it but I think they have for years been taken for granted, occasional token gestures apart. But there's a reason that there gradually got to be less and less occupied black seats. Although a lot of those vacancies were caused by bad club decisions - e.g. getting rid of Brett Ferres - rather than perceived shortcomings of the season ticket deal.

Re: New Signings/Re-Signings : Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:54 am  

martinwildbull wrote:

Certainly it needs to be proportional voting as a £330 ticket should get more voting rights than a £25 one.

Not sure I agree with that bit Martin. Effectively what there selling us is a membership+season ticket. I'd be surprised if later on they offer the season ticket without the membership. So effectively your paying £25 for the membership and voting rights + an extra amount for whatever level of season ticket your prepared to pay for. Why should someone over 65 who chooses to stand on terraces not have same voting rights as someone who chooses to pay full whack for a preimier seat. Your paying more for benefits of a seat etc not for more votes IMO. Not that I expect us to be able to vote on anything too important anyway.

[Bulliac]

Re: season tickets : Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:03 am  

I think we may be getting a bit hung up about 'voting rights' as, has been noted above, we don't know what they will be.

Firstly, I can't imagine for a millisecond that Marc is going to cede much control to the fans, so it's likely to be very limited imo; maybe a bit like the communication cord we used to have on trains, which in American films always showed the train sliding to a screaming halt, wheels locked and with sparks flying from the tracks. In reality, the cord merely nudged the brake lever sufficiently to alert the driver that someone had pulled the chain. The driver would then ask the guard to check out what the problem was, before HE decided whether stopping the train was the appropriate action.

Given that if you ask fans what to do, you may well get very mixed answers, I'd guess Marc would be pretty safe in using the communication cord approach and whatever, I can't see his massive [as owner] voting rights being overturned though, of course, he may well be influenced and I'd suspect that's about as far as it would go.

Re: season tickets : Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:14 am  

The BullBuilder article in the T & A has jogged my memory. I was a previous member, but have heard nothing/paid nothing to the "new" Bullbuilder, which I am happy to do. I thought they were contacting all past members. Have I missed something? Can anyone help

Re: season tickets : Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:34 am  

BeechwoodBull wrote: The BullBuilder article in the T & A has jogged my memory. I was a previous member, but have heard nothing/paid nothing to the "new" Bullbuilder, which I am happy to do. I thought they were contacting all past members. Have I missed something? Can anyone help Yes, we should have done. If your contact details were, for some reason, not in our database, I can only apologise. I will PM you, but for general information, you can re-join BullBuilder at http://www.bullbuilder.co.uk/join/. Anyone who joins from now onwards will be considered a member for 2015 and we will issue new membership cards shortly (the previous ones were extended to the end of this year, following our period of dormancy). We hope to have a post-season event, but plans for that have not yet been finalised. We'll keep you in touch about that. If you need any more information, please Email info@bullbuilder.co.uk By the way, for anyone who missed the T&A article, it was here http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... ?ref=var_0

BeechwoodBull wrote: The BullBuilder article in the T & A has jogged my memory. I was a previous member, but have heard nothing/paid nothing to the "new" Bullbuilder, which I am happy to do. I thought they were contacting all past members. Have I missed something? Can anyone help Yes, we should have done. If your contact details were, for some reason, not in our database, I can only apologise. I will PM you, but for general information, you can re-join BullBuilder at http://www.bullbuilder.co.uk/join/. Anyone who joins from now onwards will be considered a member for 2015 and we will issue new membership cards shortly (the previous ones were extended to the end of this year, following our period of dormancy). We hope to have a post-season event, but plans for that have not yet been finalised. We'll keep you in touch about that. If you need any more information, please Email info@bullbuilder.co.uk By the way, for anyone who missed the T&A article, it was here http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... ?ref=var_0