Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:32 am  

I'm not blaming him for the result, as it's an easy scapegoat, and it was extremely difficult conditions today, but Lilleys average Goal-kicking quality really is harming us.

2/5 today.
4/7 against York (was 3/6 until our last try which is why York sniffed a comeback)
The missed penalty in front of the posts against Batley.

[Bullseye]

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:47 am  

He was always the backup kicker when we had players like Patton and Brough who were better at goalkicking. Ideally we'd have someone else doing the job. The main reason we're losing games or failing to win isn't really down to the goalkicking. It's down to playing dumb football.

Keyes coming in will improve things a bit provided he stays fit. That's next year though.

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 8:58 am  

Isn’t Lilley kicking at 80%? If so I’d say that is more than acceptable?

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:05 am  

I note Ryan Shaw who I would suggest is as good as anyone in the league at converting also kicked 2 from 5 on his home ground so it sounds conditions weren’t great?

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:32 am  

It's around 75% I think. Even lower if you exclude penalties. I'm absolutely not blaming him for the result. It's more of an observation. As Bullseye said our dumb play and lack of game management is to blame and conditions were very poor for a kicker. But there's no question it's hurting us. Unfortunately we're stuck until Keyes comes in next year.

[Bullseye]

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:52 am  

Keyes missed a sitter for Fax yesterday ironically it was to convert his own try which was a beauty. He's just what we need next season.

[Bullseye]

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:59 am  

Betsy Bulls wrote:

I note Ryan Shaw who I would suggest is as good as anyone in the league at converting also kicked 2 from 5 on his home ground so it sounds conditions weren’t great?

Indeed. Our inability to hold onto a win and close the game out was the reason we lost. A familiar set of circumstances. We need some cool heads that can take a step back and control the game.

[Pumpetypump]

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 11:31 am  

I'd love to know the content of those half-time talks. It's now a certified trend just to fall away in the second half so I presume EOC is saying "Good first half, really impressive. I wouldn't bother repeating it though. What's everyone having for their tea?"

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:42 pm  

Bullseye wrote:

Indeed. Our inability to hold onto a win and close the game out was the reason we lost. A familiar set of circumstances. We need some cool heads that can take a step back and control the game.

Yes, I think that’s spot on. Lilley’s goal kicking (the poor miss at Batley aside) isn’t the direct reason we have lost points we should’ve hung on to.

It’s absolutely poor game management and discipline, but as much as you can’t fault Lilley’s effort as noted above, he is one of the principal contributors to the game management aspect. For example, his Hollywood style pass in front of his own posts in the home game with Widnes. I can make some allowance for him maybe trying too hard at times, especially when the only recognised half back, but his approach in those ‘close out’ scenarios is awful, poor leadership and a captain he is not.

I’d actually look to replace him next season (not with Keyes who would effectively be Gaskell’s longer term replacement).

Re: Barrow (A) : Mon Aug 05, 2024 4:34 pm  

To use one of Bullseyes quotes, we'll have the grown ups back on the pitch soon. I think we win that game with Lawrence on the pitch. I've said it multiple times he's our most important player.