All these things aren't mutually exclusive shabs, I'm not saying 1 gesture solves everything and you know I'm not, but aswell as playing staff not being up to standard culturally the place looks shot. I'd be looking at every opportunity to address that. Imagine going into a new job and being reminded all the time of what others did before you and this is what you could be, too much of it and it's demotivating.

Either way, only the players would know and I'd be interested to hear the opinion of some.

Seth wrote:

All these things aren't mutually exclusive shabs, I'm not saying 1 gesture solves everything and you know I'm not, but aswell as playing staff not being up to standard culturally the place looks shot. I'd be looking at every opportunity to address that. Imagine going into a new job and being reminded all the time of what others did before you and this is what you could be, too much of it and it's demotivating.

Either way, only the players would know and I'd be interested to hear the opinion of some.

Yeah fair play. It would get flipping annoying after a bit. Though I really like JJB and really like listening to him, it did get bit nauseating when he starts the whole’Kev’ thread which was part of every presser. Probably even worse on a day to day basis.
However this is also the time to stop looking for excuses within the camp and prove you are good enough to stay or your out….

Shabino wrote:

Likewise truely good players don’t need much coaching!

Structured plays need more than one player though and he's clearly no good at coaching structured plays.....we have none as far as I can see

Don 76 wrote:

Structured plays need more than one player though and he's clearly no good at coaching structured plays.....we have none as far as I can see

And there lies the problem with Long .

Two other main problems are lack of meter making props as we are all aware of and speed merchants . Look at Wigan they have added two quick players and it has altered the whole dynamics of the team .

ploinerrhino wrote:

And there lies the problem with Long .

Two other main problems are lack of meter making props as we are all aware of and speed merchants . Look at Wigan they have added two quick players and it has altered the whole dynamics of the team .

Wigan had both those players last year - I admit that they were absent as well for a large part - but when Jai Field did play he had zero impact. The main problem at Wigan was the lack of go forward and the effect this had on the ability to create opportunities for the backs. Harry Smith was ineffective at scrum half - this season he is a totally different player. So we changed the coaching set up (including bringing in Lee Briers as attacking coach) and brought in two front rowers from the NRL. The difference is plain to see. As an outsider looking in I am surprised at the way Leeds have started the season; in my mind (and lots of others too) they were amongst the pre-season favourites for silverware. But a lot has been said about the toxic internal culture of the club and, whilst no-one has pinpointed exactly what that means, it manifests itself in some pretty poor on field performances. And it is easy to blame the players or the coaches but, I guess, they are all working hard. I do think however that the main problem was leadership and, maybe, one or two players who aren’t putting in a full shift. As a Wigan fan I don’t like Sean Long but do admire what he has achieved and - given the impact that Lee Briers has had at Wigan - I don’t think you have seen the best of him yet. But I do believe that a good coach who can root out the bad culture, build a team spirit that is highly motivational and correct the basic flaws with the current game plan has at his disposal a squad that can give even St Helens a run for their money. And after that a few subtle changes of personnel may be justified. Whether that man is Rohan Smith is yet to be discovered. And finally, it seems bad now, but as other teams have found out when in a similar position it will get better.

Yorkshire Warrior wrote:

Wigan had both those players last year - I admit that they were absent as well for a large part - but when Jai Field did play he had zero impact. The main problem at Wigan was the lack of go forward and the effect this had on the ability to create opportunities for the backs. Harry Smith was ineffective at scrum half - this season he is a totally different player. So we changed the coaching set up (including bringing in Lee Briers as attacking coach) and brought in two front rowers from the NRL. The difference is plain to see. As an outsider looking in I am surprised at the way Leeds have started the season; in my mind (and lots of others too) they were amongst the pre-season favourites for silverware. But a lot has been said about the toxic internal culture of the club and, whilst no-one has pinpointed exactly what that means, it manifests itself in some pretty poor on field performances. And it is easy to blame the players or the coaches but, I guess, they are all working hard. I do think however that the main problem was leadership and, maybe, one or two players who aren’t putting in a full shift. As a Wigan fan I don’t like Sean Long but do admire what he has achieved and - given the impact that Lee Briers has had at Wigan - I don’t think you have seen the best of him yet. But I do believe that a good coach who can root out the bad culture, build a team spirit that is highly motivational and correct the basic flaws with the current game plan has at his disposal a squad that can give even St Helens a run for their money. And after that a few subtle changes of personnel may be justified. Whether that man is Rohan Smith is yet to be discovered. And finally, it seems bad now, but as other teams have found out when in a similar position it will get better.

I think that post is Pretty close. However we don’t have the pace that you need to compete. On the rare occasion a player breaks the line we have no-one who can keep up. Also you would have been 10x better last season if French and Field had not missed most of the season……

Shabino wrote:

I think that post is Pretty close. However we don’t have the pace that you need to compete. On the rare occasion a player breaks the line we have no-one who can keep up. Also you would have been 10x better last season if French and Field had not missed most of the season……

Correct ,
take Field and French out of the Wigan side and the difference is amazing

Mago makes a big difference for them too, with the second phase he offers, even in short stints.