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Re: Fans return 30th September Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:39 pm  

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Re: Fans return 30th September Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:34 pm  

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Re: Fans return 30th September Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:25 am  

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Re: Fans return 30th September Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:21 pm  

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The more we return to 'normality', the greater the spread of the virus.The problem is not so much the greater incidence of cases or the relatively low death rate that we're seeing right now, but rather the risk to the NHS if a peak of COVID-related hospital admissions coincides with the usual surge of winter admissions. We can't afford for hospitals to be stopping regular treatment, operations, A&E etc, if they get inundated with COVID patients again - and this is what will happen if there's another steep peak.



Really good post. The idea we need to get back to normal or start getting back to normal is misguided. The reason we have a relatively low infection and death rate is in the large due to the restrictions in place and the way in which the majority of people have followed the restrictions and advice. The disease is by all accounts incredibly infectious and unchecked spreads quickly within the community. We are most likely at the limit of what we can reopen and go back to doing safely right now. The more we open the more infections we get.
Yes life is not risk free, of course it isn’t, however in the main the majority of people minimise those everyday life risks. Furthermore, the everyday life risks don’t disappear because covid is here, they are still here every day as they were before. Covid just adds another risk ok top, one which we can slow down significantly by changing some of our behaviours.

The public health issues from covid aren’t just covid, the number of people who have missed screening, medical checks and follow ups is mind boggling. The nhs will struggle to repair that damage even without covid issues. We can’t add further weight onto the NHS because we are tired of things not being normal, because we want to go back to doing what we did before or because we don’t like masks.

The way we get out of this is a vaccine, until we have it then it will be here and we will need to continue living in a different way.
Re: Fans return 30th September Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:24 pm  

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There’s a balance to strike though, the Furlough scheme ends next month and with it will be a massive rise in unemployment, I 100% agree we can’t just flip a switch and go back to ‘normal’ but we have to start reopening things like theatres and sports venues otherwise they will be gone forever.
Re: Fans return 30th September Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:21 am  

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Some good posts. People will tend to view the COVID dilemma depending on how exposed they are to it medically and commercially. Younger ones who are generally healthy don't take it so seriously, and people who have cast-iron income aren't as bothered about the effects of lockdown.

I lost one business in the last recession which took me 10 years to recover from, and we're just treading the line with this situation so far. For me this outbreak calls for a balance, as with most things - we need to allow enough activity that the whole economy doesn't collapse, but manage cases within limits too.

I'm sure stadia could manage around 5k supporters at events and effectively distance them. How is it any different from the many retail parks that are already open?

We may end up in rolling lock-downs but the govt has to understand that reported numbers are already old: so we have to act quickly to mitigate and act equally quickly to release the lockdown. 2 weeks should be sufficient to put serious breaks on the spread - IF those 2 weeks are effectively stuck to. That's what I would do - advise everyone to be prepared for rolling lock-downs, improve the testing regime, enforce localised lock-downs as they are, put additional protections around the vulnerable - and otherwise crack on with it.

The broad-brush responses we have seen were emergency measures which have caused huge collateral damage; we need to get the scalpel out now we have got to grips with the situation and the science more.
Re: Fans return 30th September Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:17 am  

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Unfortunately the testing capacity is so low and poorly organised in the UK that the broad brush approach is the only one that works.
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Re: Fans return 30th September Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:23 am  

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Are they suitable for taking in any CV-19 patients or only those who need very specific care? If they could be a first port of call, meaning the main hospitals are not touched by CV-19, this is the way forward to reopening society.


If only it was that simple Bats.
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Re: Fans return 30th September Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:39 am  

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Given the Covid situation in Leeds can't see any fans being let in to sporting events anytime soon
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Re: Fans return 30th September Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:42 am  

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Given the Covid situation in Leeds can't see any fans being let in to sporting events anytime soon


Indeed. And as we head into winter I can't see things improving.
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