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Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:03 am  

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Wow.

This decended rapidly.

Let’s keep a cool head here fellas.

Debate yes, slurs no.

With such an emotive subject I know it’s hard to bite your tongue on topics as we all have different viewpoints / shared experiences.

Tread lightly.

As you were.


I’ve know idea why but I find the threads where this happens really entertaining and hate it when they end up getting locked :lol:
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Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:04 am  

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Jack Burton wrote:
Details of what he said are in the article.

He commented on the local lockdowns in Bradford and greater Manchester by saying something along the lines of "what are they all full of"



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Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:25 am  
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Jack Burton wrote:
Details of what he said are in the article.

He commented on the local lockdowns in Bradford and greater Manchester by saying something along the lines of "what are they all full of"


Full of people surely? Highly residential areas are Greater Manchester and Bradford. Always much more chance of Covid spreading in highly populated areaa than the Countryside. Are City dwellers offended by that?
Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:39 am  

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Really - what evidence do you have for that?

Why does it offend me - because the trans lobby is so powerful it prevents people stating facts - not opinion facts. You will get banned off twitter for suggesting a man with a penis is a male and woman with a vagina is female - these are facts not opinions that is why it offends me. The idea that there are 100 gender types is just bonkers and not factually correct.

I have no truck with racism but you cannot deny that more blacks are killed by blacks - its a fact not an opinion and as such you should be able to say it. Now they are banning the use of the word Jihadist - because it might upset a community - again its a fact. Wokeness gone mad.

Wiley - he has a point - it is well known the only people making money out of published music are the companies that publish it not the artists. Artists get $41 per million radio plays and $7,000 per million plays on Spotify the vast majority of the revenues goes directly to the record company. The Jewish rant deflected from the bigger picture sadly. It has always been the case even back to Elvis and Col. Parker.


Sex and gender aren't necessarily the same thing though. The idea of sex being binary, and gender being on a spectrum isn't a new scientific idea. I'm sceptical to a degree and I'll admit that the idea seems strange to me, but then if it wasn't true why would anyone choose to be trans? They're probably the most discriminated against and ridiculed section of our society with a very high suicide rate. There's absolutely no upside for the vast majority of trans people.

The statistics about more black people killing black people is a statistical truth. The issue I have with it is that is used to try deflect and undermine racism against black people. It's similar to when people try to play down acts of terrorism by mentioning wars in the middle east. The point maybe valid, but it doesn't justify the act of terrorism.

Rents like Wiley's are typical of what we've seen over 1000s of years and are what gave rise to the nazis and bolsheviks most recently, and anti Jewish rhetoric is definitely making a comeback especially in Europe. It's very troubling. Again, the point about the music industry ripping off artists isn't necessarily inaccurate, but it's an argument that's easy to make without being antisemitic, so I have absolutely no sympathy for him.
Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:06 am  

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Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:
Full of people surely? Highly residential areas are Greater Manchester and Bradford. Always much more chance of Covid spreading in highly populated areaa than the Countryside. Are City dwellers offended by that?


There are plenty of densly populated cities that are not suffering - why is that Oldham, Bradford, Calderdale,Leicester etc are? what is driving this difference?
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:11 am  

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Sex and gender aren't necessarily the same thing though. The idea of sex being binary, and gender being on a spectrum isn't a new scientific idea. I'm sceptical to a degree and I'll admit that the idea seems strange to me, but then if it wasn't true why would anyone choose to be trans? They're probably the most discriminated against and ridiculed section of our society with a very high suicide rate. There's absolutely no upside for the vast majority of trans people.

The statistics about more black people killing black people is a statistical truth. The issue I have with it is that is used to try deflect and undermine racism against black people. It's similar to when people try to play down acts of terrorism by mentioning wars in the middle east. The point maybe valid, but it doesn't justify the act of terrorism.

Rents like Wiley's are typical of what we've seen over 1000s of years and are what gave rise to the nazis and bolsheviks most recently, and anti Jewish rhetoric is definitely making a comeback especially in Europe. It's very troubling. Again, the point about the music industry ripping off artists isn't necessarily inaccurate, but it's an argument that's easy to make without being antisemitic, so I have absolutely no sympathy for him.


I agree with your last point.

The black on black is a tough one how do you take them seriously when they treat each other so badly. It starts with the way black men treat black women - so many one parent families. Perhaps its a case of getting your own house in order first?

On trans - again don't pull the transphobia card everytime somebody finds it hard to accept one day you were a man the next you want to seen as woman - its not that simple.
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Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:03 am  

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'It's not that simple'. That sums it up. It isn't simple. Essentially, we're asking a generation of people who have only just about comprehended gay marriage to comprehend transgender people and gender identity. It's not going to happen overnight so patience is needed. But that works both ways, I'm sure people wouldn't be so quick to accuse people of transpobia if they didn't say things like 'a man in a dress is not a woman', or 'I identity as an attack helicopter, does that mean I'm an attack helicopter?'. It isn't that simple.

Minority communities face many issues, and those issues won't go away even if we end racism, but whilst you may say 'get your own house in order', you could say the same thing about racism within the white community towards minorities. I can't do much about most of the problems that effect minority communities, but I can help to get rid of racism from within my own community.
Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:14 am  
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Thank God rugby is returning. Remember the days when this used to be a rugby forum?
Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:15 am  

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Re: Redskins & Chiefs Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:58 am  

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Aye! I can't wait :)
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