Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:59 pm  

It’s probably as well that we’re getting these losable away fixtures to the top sides out of the way early on actually. These are games even a fully functional Leeds might lose later in the season, whereas we could have a chance at home on the return fixtures if we gel.
Snagging a win away at Salford would be useful, but I don’t think it will be an easy task at all.
I’m not sure Singleton gets back in next time unless there’s an injury or he has a blinder for Fev.
No point in blaming the referee - I don’t rate Thaler but after the forwards laid a platform, our skill level in the backs just wasn’t good enough to win the game. We’re just not good enough at the moment to control games and apply consistent pressure to opposition.

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:07 pm  

The overall performance against Wigan was a big improvement and we were on the wrong end of some dubious decisions that gifted them 12 points and the all important momentum. The scoreline flattered Wigan and we had a better metre per carry than they did.

We were also not helped by poor performances from our half backs (again) and a really terrible performance from Walker where nothing went right for him and he is unlikely to have such a poor match again. Having said that his flaws were exposed. He is not yet being physically robust enough for a full season of SL at fullback and he looks to me to be trying too hard to go for glory every time he has the ball. He now rarely passes (perhaps why his passing is poor) and is now more easily dealt with by the opposition who know he is not going to pass (a decease that Briscoe suffer from too)

Our back three all were not up to scratch and in a game where we let in 6 tries between them they only made 8 tackles with 6 missed tackles, 6 errors and only one clean break (Handley)

So what are our options?

I certainly would be looking to give McLelland a run soon. From what I have seen and heard he has the talent, toughness and attitude to make it and this should trump any lack of experience. All youngsters until their first game lack experience at this level eg Walker and our golden generation.

We could give young Walker a rest and move Lolohea to F/B giving McLelland a run at 6 or we could bring him in to replace Myler, who had been the least effect of the halfbacks.

However I favour putting McLelland on the bench in place of Parcell so he can cover both halves and hooker (he has played at hooker) and we give him a run in both positions from the bench.

As regards Merrin, I like the look of him and on another day his offloads would have led to victories. I think he is not fully fit which is perhaps why they are spelling him at prop. If he can regain full fitness he can move to the back row and play more minutes.

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:31 pm  

McClelland will get some chances in first team this year I think. I wouldn’t be moving Tui around just yet, he needs time at 6 to show what he can and can’t do.
Myler for me is under a question though because we already know what he’s about. He’s not great in defence already and perhaps, we wouldn’t have too much to lose giving Callum a run at 7 sometime. He’s lining up at 7 for the academy this weekend.

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:36 pm  

KaeruJim wrote:

McClelland will get some chances in first team this year I think. I wouldn’t be moving Tui around just yet, he needs time at 6 to show what he can and can’t do.
Myler for me is under a question though because we already know what he’s about. He’s not great in defence already and perhaps, we wouldn’t have too much to lose giving Callum a run at 7 sometime. He’s lining up at 7 for the academy this weekend.

Agreed. It's too early to bring in McClelland, but he should get some chances later in the season, or sooner if there are injuries etc.

Myler needs to deliver sooner rather than later though, and show he is worthy of being on the fringes of the England team. He's been around the squad long enough (unlike Lolohea), hasn't got the excuse of youth (unlike Walker), and as far as I know, isn't returning from a serious injury (unlike Watkins). It can be difficult for half-backs, but he wasn't playing behind a beaten pack against Wigan, yet was still outshone by Williams (who seems to be finding his form and learning to control games). Hopefully it is just a matter of getting used to the new coaching setup, and the combinations with Lolohea...

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:22 pm  

I think Furner will get it all right eventually however i don't think it will be this season. He has a huge task of bringing that forward line's age down but making sure he is bringing quality in. With the reduced interchanges i can see your forwards really starting to struggle in the final quarter of the season. I honestly don't think Hurrell will get there, it seems that the ploy is to get it to him and try to get some barge over try's and his defence so far is a little suspect. That could come on with game time of course but he is built more like a RU centre than a RL one. I would seriously put him in the back row. Where that leaves Sutcliffe though i don't know. He is really stuck in his career at the moment. I think Leeds will have to be patient for now and accept that the job that Furner has is a complete rebuild. That is a lot of work. I really rate Walker but he was bad last night. Be interesting to see if Golding get's a run next time out. Will also be interesting to see if Hurrell gets a lengthy ban for the headbutt.

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:32 pm  

you were going so well until the 'headbutt'.

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:56 pm  

Thought the backs were generally poor.
Ferres, Dwyer and Peteru had decent games and I thought Donaldson put in a good stint in defence when he came on.
Be interesting to see who gets left out when Crosby is fit.
I agree about Ward every time he gets tackled I look to see if he gets up.
I'm saying nothing about Walker other than he is still young.

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:36 pm  

ReWalker.I've said before his heart is not at Leeds,vastly overrated.

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:41 am  

Lanzarote Rhino wrote:

ReWalker.I've said before his heart is not at Leeds,vastly overrated.

I couldn't agree more. Walker has potential but is not as good as all the hype he gets from Sky commentators and some fans. I think he's guilty of believing all the hype and often thinks he can take on the opposition by himself. For me, Golding, who's heart is in Leeds, may be not so flash but he's more reliable and always gives 100%.

Re: SL RD 2 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:43 am  

Cherry_Warrior wrote:

I think Furner will get it all right eventually however i don't think it will be this season. He has a huge task of bringing that forward line's age down but making sure he is bringing quality in. With the reduced interchanges i can see your forwards really starting to struggle in the final quarter of the season. I honestly don't think Hurrell will get there, it seems that the ploy is to get it to him and try to get some barge over try's and his defence so far is a little suspect. That could come on with game time of course but he is built more like a RU centre than a RL one. I would seriously put him in the back row. Where that leaves Sutcliffe though i don't know. He is really stuck in his career at the moment. I think Leeds will have to be patient for now and accept that the job that Furner has is a complete rebuild. That is a lot of work. I really rate Walker but he was bad last night. Be interesting to see if Golding get's a run next time out. Will also be interesting to see if Hurrell gets a lengthy ban for the headbutt.

I’m so glad Leeds don’t go by the Wigan fan coaching manual.
As for he can’t defend, I’d ask Hardaker if his ribs are a little sore still this morning. What do we know though, he’s only been a centre in the NRL for the past few years.