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Posted by Charlie Sheen on Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:27 am
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He was way better than Massey at his best
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Posted by christopher on Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:58 am
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Jonesy is going to work for the foundation and so is Lee Smith joining g Brett Delaney. What do they all do ?



Quite a lot and its a very successful venture, having Ex Players working for it is a great way to get people engaged with the foundation.

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Posted by Sal Paradise on Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:59 am
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Charlie Sheen wrote:
He was way better than Massey at his best


Agreed but then Sinfield and McGuire are on a different planet to the likes of Gale - so the comparison is about right.
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Great club servant - who made a valuable contribution to the glory years - a legend not on the field - very similar to Nathan Massey for me a good solid performer who gave it 100% every time he took the field.

Legend should be reserved for players of exceptional ability whose quality sets them apart from their peer group e.g. Danny McGuire.


Some of that i agree but JJB was a 20 year club man who was a mainstay of that period. Larger than life character who will long be remembered and talked about in 20/30/40 years time so i would say he is a club legend. All time great on the other hand; no.
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Posted by Sal Paradise on Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:16 pm
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Some of that i agree but JJB was a 20 year club man who was a mainstay of that period. Larger than life character who will long be remembered and talked about in 20/30/40 years time so i would say he is a club legend. All time great on the other hand; no.


Will he be remembered as a lager than life character or as a really top player? Comparisons to the likes of Morley, Ellis & Ali do him no favours in quality terms. When it comes to effort and endeavour - unmatched.
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Will he be remembered as a lager than life character or as a really top player? Comparisons to the likes of Morley, Ellis & Ali do him no favours in quality terms. When it comes to effort and endeavour - unmatched.


Both. He was a top player, international squad standard between 05-11 and he was consistently a 7/10 player. A level below the 3 you mentioned who were world class but i still think his longevity, success and complete devotion to the club merit the label of club legend but i appreciate it's opinions.
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Posted by Sal Paradise on Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:34 pm
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Both. He was a top player, international squad standard between 05-11 and he was consistently a 7/10 player. A level below the 3 you mentioned who were world class but i still think his longevity, success and complete devotion to the club merit the label of club legend but i appreciate it's opinions.


Fair assessment
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For me, JJB came into his own in the 2007 season, and really stood out as an attacking player that year and for the next two years or so, to the point that he was outshining the likes of Lauitiiti in a lot of performances. After that IIRC he became more of a workhorse (and occasional penalty machine). 2007 was also the year when JJB grew the beard, and Jamie Thackray was famously axed because he wouldn't work on his poor ball-retention in training.

Another season that sticks out is 2006 - another underachieving year, despite Peacock signing. JJB was played at prop in some games by Tony Smith and didn't really make an impact.
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