Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:03 pm  

Jrrhino wrote:

What it boils down too is everyones opinion of a player and how much you think they have given to your club and impacted it and imo JJB is a Leeds legend for his commitment, determination, selflessness and Success.

Fair point

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:49 pm  

Jrrhino wrote:

What it boils down too is everyones opinion of a player and how much you think they have given to your club and impacted it and imo JJB is a Leeds legend for his commitment, determination, selflessness and Success.

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qualities for a good christian and covering 2 small half backs tackling but for a legendary 2nd rower (twice failed prop) how many clean breaks were made , how many big hits? picking best backrowers since 99 he would be behind morley, farrell, glanville, sinfield, lauititi, ward, , ellis, ablett , cuthbertson,


as i said generous, would struggle to put harris schoey and hanley as legends

should be for the pinnacles lewis jones, holmes , sinfield,,

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:01 pm  

doc-rhino wrote:

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qualities for a good christian and covering 2 small half backs tackling but for a legendary 2nd rower (twice failed prop) how many clean breaks were made , how many big hits? picking best backrowers since 99 he would be behind morley, farrell, glanville, sinfield, lauititi, ward, , ellis, ablett , cuthbertson,


as i said generous, would struggle to put harris schoey and hanley as legends

should be for the pinnacles lewis jones, holmes , sinfield,,

Like I said that's your opinion and mine is JJB is a legend you might not appreciate what he's done on a rugby field but others might. And really Cuthbertson over JJB? not sure i agree with that.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:28 pm  

doc-rhino wrote:

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qualities for a good christian and covering 2 small half backs tackling but for a legendary 2nd rower (twice failed prop) how many clean breaks were made , how many big hits? picking best backrowers since 99 he would be behind morley, farrell, glanville, sinfield, lauititi, ward, , ellis, ablett , cuthbertson,


as i said generous, would struggle to put harris schoey and hanley as legends

should be for the pinnacles lewis jones, holmes , sinfield,,

I remember him for some stand-out moments, his pass to Smith in the 07 GF, his kick chase in the 08 WCC but mostly for his tireless and consistent effort, not all quality work is flashy. How many clean breaks or big hits did Peacock make? Very few. But he is also rightly a legend of not only Leeds but the sport.

Also you can’t genuinely put JJB behind Ellis, Ward, Ablett & Cuthbertson. Ellis only played for Leeds for 4 seasons, Ward has done nothing above JJB in his time so far, same for Ablett.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:54 pm  

JJB is clearly a legend. Without players like him McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield don’t get to do the things they did. They all contributed in different ways to an outstanding team and period in the clubs history.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:07 pm  

Jrrhino wrote:

What it boils down too is everyones opinion of a player and how much you think they have given to your club and impacted it and imo JJB is a Leeds legend for his commitment, determination, selflessness and Success.

totally agree - without supporting players like JJB, Sinfield and his position(s) on the field have less impact.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:38 pm  

It depends on your definition of 'legend' and how many players you want in that bracket. If you're talking top 5 or 10 players of all time JJB wouldn't be in many people's lists. If you're talking top 50 he might be in most.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:16 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

It depends on your definition of 'legend' and how many players you want in that bracket. If you're talking top 5 or 10 players of all time JJB wouldn't be in many people's lists. If you're talking top 50 he might be in most.

The number is irrellevant if he's played a big part in the most successful part of your Clubs History then he's in whether tjat yakes your clubs legend list to 5 or 6 or 56.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:06 am  

Course the number is relevant, because its about how exclusive or otherwise you want a list to be. That's the whole point. YOUR view is that he should be in and therefore have a longer list, others think the term 'legend' should be mega-exclusive to maybe 5 players. Nobody is actually right or wrong because there's no agreed definition.

If you were to ask me (which you didn't) I'd say the 5 most important players in the club's history (in no particular order) would be Lewis Jones, Joe Thompson, Eric Harris, John Holmes and Kevin Sinfield. Each of those players dominated an era for the club and won things.

If you would put JJB ahead of them then that's your view and you're entitled to it, but to me he wouldn't be in the top 20 players in the history of the club (which predates SL by more than 100 years). He would maybe be in my top 50, but I probably wouldn't call top 50 'legends'.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:03 am  

Many supporters use Alex Simmon's definition of RL legend which appears to be anyone who has worn a RL shirt and bought him a pint. JJB is a loyal club player but not a legend by any stretch of the imagination.