Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:17 am  

in the clubs great era's there will always be players who will be mentioned when those Eras are talked about and names and memories handed down to people who have not seen them play.These players while not legends themselves deserve to be mentioned along side legends

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:44 am  

The Golden Generation is in itself pretty much legendary. Within that context, the respective contributions may be judged by representation within those winning teams. JJB is right up there for me.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:24 pm  

ant1 wrote:

Many supporters use Alex Simmon's definition of RL legend which appears to be anyone who has worn a RL shirt and bought him a pint. JJB is a loyal club player but not a legend by any stretch of the imagination.

Utter tripe got f'all to do with how simmons uses it.

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:28 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

in the clubs great era's there will always be players who will be mentioned when those Eras are talked about and names and memories handed down to people who have not seen them play.These players while not legends themselves deserve to be mentioned along side legends

Ian Kirke immediately springs to mind

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:38 pm  

Norman Stanley Fletcher wrote:

Ian Kirke immediately springs to mind

6 rings ! My god . Arthur Clues never won very much ,but he has legendary status and I never saw him play ,but the tales about him are legendary

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:07 pm  

lionarmour87 wrote:

6 rings ! My god . Arthur Clues never won very much ,but he has legendary status and I never saw him play ,but the tales about him are legendary

Ian Kirke won 4 = I think - so what does that say?

Legend is about there quality as a player not what they have won

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:32 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Ian Kirke won 4 = I think - so what does that say?

Legend is about there quality as a player not what they have won

I didn't disagree on Kirke at all .that's why I mentioned Clues didn't win very much ,but definite club legend on Quality

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:25 pm  

For me the term legend is made up of many areas. A legend needs to have been at a club for a long period of time, have been a player of real quality, and have been someone who was instrumental in the success of the team. There aren't many players who can tick all the boxes. For me I don't think he was quite a good enough player to tick the middle box. He was effective and reliable and made the most of the talent he had with his attitude and dedication. He wasn't a standout player of his generation.

However, for me that puts him in a similar place as Burrow and McGuire

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:56 pm  

Really? He was solid in the GF wins, but never a standout. McGuire and Burrow played major roles in wins. As did Sinfield. In terms of impact in one or more GFs he'd be behind the likes of JP, Leuluai, Lauti'iti, Diskin, Ablett, Webb, Lee Smith, Donald, Senior and Hardaker. He'd be in any 17 'best of' team to reflect the era, and his contribution shouldn't be overlooked, but lets not pretend he was as influential as some others.

Every successful team has players fans like and the rest of the squad value highly both on and off-field. Some are lucky and play in very successful teams, others just don't (I'm thinking Roy Powell here for some reason, but Dave Heron and many others would qualify).

Re: OUT 2020 | Jamie Jones-Buchanan - Retirement : Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:47 am  

JJB has been this generation's Graham Eccles. He's a Leeds legend, and has been the heart and soul of the club as a whole for a decade.