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New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:15 am  

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Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:06 am  

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Its been talked about down the pub in my neck of the woods. Personally I think the game should be at the end of the season when the champions are still together and prepared. An idea I like is that it acts as a link between the leagues and the 4Nations/World Cup. Whichever hemisphere the international tournament is in also hosts the WCC. A high proportion of the league winning team should be in their international squad anyway, so the amount of travelling is reduced. The two winning club sides play each other, on the same weekend the other international teams play their warm up games. This way you get to see the two teams at their peak, and some indication of the step up of intensity towards the 4Nations / World Cup.

For me this idea removes the issues around it always being in the UK, and it always being in the NRL off season, as well as the Sl team having to play their extra game mid-week.
Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:16 am  

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is it not the case though for the super league, world club challenge and international game to grow the only way to do this is to reduce the number of teams in the competion and have two leagues of 10 which would mean 18/19(including magic weekend), then there would be room for the exiles game also more room to for any world club challenge games and still time for end of season games.
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Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:23 am  

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My thoughts on this whole expanded agenda of the WCC is this, who would pay for and run it all?!

The RFL are off the rocker most of the time, NRL will only think of themselves and the RLIF struggle to even update their website.
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Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:57 pm  

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I'd also like to see an expanded WCC comp, but I'd like to see it restricted to Challenge Cup Winners, League leaders and Superleague Champs (and Aussie equivalents), so it's truly the best teams. It would make a mockery of it if a team who'd come 4th in the league for a couple of years were then crowned World Club Champs... It would help give the League Leaders trophy back a bit of it's prestige too.

Would seem a shame to lose what little International Rugby League we already do have. I'd be more than happy to lose the extra fixture for "Magic" weekend, and make it just one of regular fixtures. I'd also happily make it only the top 6 that get into the Playoffs and reduce the number of games there. Perhaps similar to football, teams involved in the WCC get a bye in the first round of the cup too to reduce fixture numbers...

Agree it's best held straight after the Grand Finals when squads are all match fit and no players have moved on.
Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:06 pm  

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Care to expand on that? I'd say the game in this country is being more professionally run now than it has at any time in my memory.

There isn't space as it stands in the northern hemisphere calendar for an expanded WCC.

Reducing an already too short off-season should be resisted at all costs. The clubs won't tolerate a reduction in league games IMO, simply because most can barely manage on the income they generate at the moment without sacrificing some of that for a competition they probably won't qualify to take part in anyway.

So it's either goodbye to the Challenge Cup, or to representative rugby outside World Cup years - both of which offer much more to the game than an expanded WCC.
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Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:12 pm  
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I'd keep the World Club Challenge as a annual event and at the same time of year, to be played at a neutral venue ie Dubai/Las Vegas or Hawaii.
Also every for years at the end of the season I'd have a Club Championship featuring the previous 4 seasons champions or the top seeded wildcard qualifies based records in the previous 4 seasons playoff's which would alternate between the UK/France and Aus/NZ over a 5 week period, this would consist of 2 groups of 4 teams with the top 2 from each group qualifying for the semis.

I'd stage the 4 nations tournament every two years. I'd also change the format. Week One Semi Finals and Week Two 3rd/4th place play off/ Final.

As a result of my ideas the international calender would be something like this.

2013- World Cup
2014- 4 nations
2015- World Club Championship
2016- 4 nations
2017- World Cup

I'd also get rid of stupid England v Exiles matches.
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Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:27 pm  
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Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:33 pm  

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IMO the RL calendar is pretty crammed as it is and although I take on the option of rotating a “Champions League” style completion with some of the existing post SL games, I still think this would be asking too much of our players.

For example:

2 x pre-season games
27 x Standard SL rounds
4 x Play Off games
1 x Grand Final
5 x Challenge cup games

Total = 39 games

Then to add a further 5 games in a “Champions League” style tournament at the end of an already punishing season. Throw in an Exiles (or similar exhibition match) and you could be asking some players to grace the field in up to 45 times in the same year.

I know we will be already asking this of our international charges (with the World Cup) but a “Champions League” would mean the entire squad – they’d be knackered!
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Re: New Article: Time to expand the WCC? Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:41 pm  

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Another possible and maybe even more radical idea would be to scrap domestic playoffs altogether and have the top 4 from SL and NRL have the WCC to decide who is the best in the world. This way all Internationals could still be in place! You could even have a 'Europa League' style competition for teams 5-8!

It is much harder to remove a playoff series than introduce one so i cant see it happening, but its a possibility!

Whatever happens I would definitely like to see more games between SL and NRL teams!

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