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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:51 pm  
What is it with all these Trinity fans getting all touchy because some of us dont even note their pathetic existence?
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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:52 pm  
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Why?

You're a franchise filler, that's all. You've never been a serious contender in Super League and never will be.

Wakefield = '...also ran'

Having you in the SL is irrelevant - you could quite easily be Halifax, Keighley or *insert name of irrelevant team here*.


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So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>

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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:56 am  
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Ted is the biggest loser - are you for real?


From a financial perspective yes, he loses the ground back to the bank, so £1.7m is quite a bit of money. That is all I meant, that is why he was so desperate towards the end to retain control... it will hit him in his already empty pockets.
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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:36 pm  
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From a financial perspective yes, he loses the ground back to the bank, so £1.7m is quite a bit of money. That is all I meant, that is why he was so desperate towards the end to retain control... it will hit him in his already empty pockets.


You'll excuse me - given his chronic mismanagement along with the rest of the Wakefield board - if I don't weep quietly into my pillow thinking about his plight.

I'm more likely to be concerned with the small businesses who could face having to lay off staff or close because they're going to get shafted along with other creditors, yet who magically see the business back up and running again with new investments and free of debt a few days later.

I'm sure they'll have a collection between them just to make sure Ted doesn't fall on hard times.
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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:41 pm  
I take no pleasure from the financial problems of what was once a truly great club. Some of the best games I can remember were against Trinity in the 60's and 70's when they had some of the greatest rugby league players.

I no nothing of how they got into this mess but the club is bigger than the (miss)managers and they have certainly been a worthy SL team.

IMO the solution is a merger with Cas to create a sustainable SL franchise at the very least a ground sharing arrangement. To embark on 2 new stadiums within a few miles is just plain crazy for both clubs.
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BillyRhino wrote:
So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>

IA mode off. :wink:

Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:06 pm  
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You'll excuse me - given his chronic mismanagement along with the rest of the Wakefield board - if I don't weep quietly into my pillow thinking about his plight.

I'm more likely to be concerned with the small businesses who could face having to lay off staff or close because they're going to get shafted along with other creditors, yet who magically see the business back up and running again with new investments and free of debt a few days later.

I'm sure they'll have a collection between them just to make sure Ted doesn't fall on hard times.


Come on Andy, you know me better than that... I won't be crying for Ted either but neither is he the villain he is being made out to be by some Wakey fans. It was just a comment that financially Ted is going to be hit hard, that is all. Also, to borrow a line from Starbug... have you tried running an RL club? I think they have sailed close to the wind for years yes, but people are making out that Ted has managed the club badly! I think he is a wheeler dealer and a chancer but clearly he has put more money in than he has ever got out... I think he has done the best he can given his own financial position and skill as Chairman BUT Wakefield did and do deserve better... no argument.

As for these small business you speak of, who are they exactly and why are their staff singularly more important than the 40+ staff who would lose their jobs if the administrator attempted to liquidate Wakefield to give them some money. They might still get some money from the sale and 40+ people get to keep their jobs, but according to you and others, the totally theoretical threat that it is possible that some creditor companies may, or more likely may not, have to lay some people off is more important. There is no logic to this argument whatsoever, this is not a Crusaders pre-pack deal here mate, when the exiting owner dump their debt and move over to a new company to avoid their commitments, this is new owners buying the business from the administrator and his job is to get as much money as possible and secure the future of the company... simple as that!

Finally, you question the financial mismanagement of the Wakey BOD but any small company that put themselves into a credit situation with Wakefield, so much so that it puts at risk the future employment of a member of staff or at the worst, the fall of the company, could equally be accused of exactly the same thing could they not?

The reality mate is that I doubt any independent business is owed money so substantial as to bring their business down and if they are, that is problem they have taken a risk and reward gamble on... just like every company!
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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:07 pm  
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I take no pleasure from the financial problems of what was once a truly great club. Some of the best games I can remember were against Trinity in the 60's and 70's when they had some of the greatest rugby league players.

I no nothing of how they got into this mess but the club is bigger than the (miss)managers and they have certainly been a worthy SL team.

IMO the solution is a merger with Cas to create a sustainable SL franchise at the very least a ground sharing arrangement. To embark on 2 new stadiums within a few miles is just plain crazy for both clubs.


Well said.

And those with short memories who are gloating at Wakey's current position, would do well to remember our own financial plight in the mid 90's.
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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:31 pm  
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You'll excuse me - given his chronic mismanagement along with the rest of the Wakefield board - if I don't weep quietly into my pillow thinking about his plight.

I'm more likely to be concerned with the small businesses who could face having to lay off staff or close because they're going to get shafted along with other creditors, yet who magically see the business back up and running again with new investments and free of debt a few days later.

I'm sure they'll have a collection between them just to make sure Ted doesn't fall on hard times.


My sentiments exactly.
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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:35 pm  
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Well said.

And those with short memories who are gloating at Wakey's current position, would do well to remember our own financial plight in the mid 90's.


I don't recall that we ever went into administration so as to walk away from the debts created through our failure to be prudent with the taxman's (ie our) money.
I take no delight whatsoever in Wakefield's plight nor that of the Crusaders, but it's those people who have done business with them that I really feel sorry for.
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Re: Will Wakefield start this season? : Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:44 pm  
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I take no delight whatsoever in Wakefield's plight nor that of the Crusaders, but it's those people who have done business with them that I really feel sorry for.



Don't be.

If you want to go into any business that is not serving the general public in a cash payment only situation (ie a shop) then you will be doing business to business on credit and if you can't take that risk then you shouldn't be running that business.

I lost money on a deal that I did with a former Leeds Rhinos player who had been allegedly backed in his venture by a Leeds Rhinos director and who did a runner (literally) and left lots of people out of pocket - we all had to stand that as part of the game, its what happens.
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