Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:27 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

not saying I disagree with you on the summary, but if Leeds attack how we know they can, then Saints defend how they did against us previously, and it would still be 30+ points against them. Our attack was limp last time against them.

Unfortunately I agree with that - your tactics in the last game were dreadful and I can't see BM making the same mistake again.

I think it will be a relatively high scoring game, with your better defence proving the difference in the end.

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:27 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Not sure about Cas game, as not seen, but he was certainly one of the Saints better players against Wigan. A very clever running and ball handling centre.

Turner was abysmal against Wigan IMO, his defence was shambolic.

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:28 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

turner has been really poor in the wigan and cas games. if he is england class we must be worse than i thought

Indeed! The guy he replaced now back at his home club must be at least one who is higher in the pecking order.

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:35 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Turner was abysmal against Wigan IMO, his defence was shambolic.

Well he certainly did a better job than Lomax, Makinson, Jones, and Dawson in the game. And the stats back that up.

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:43 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Well he certainly did a better job than Lomax, Makinson, Jones, and Dawson in the game. And the stats back that up.

Just shows that stats don't tell the whole story, Lomax was probably our best player.

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:02 pm  

Kirke was rested on Monday.

Beware Saints he's gunning for ya!

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:02 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Just shows that stats don't tell the whole story, Lomax was probably our best player.

Your kidding? he is a great player, and having a great season, but he was absolutely shocking against Wigan.

I understand he had a better game against Widnes

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:09 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Just shows that stats don't tell the whole story, Lomax was probably our best player.

Definitely our best player. Turner was awful defensively and nothing really came off in attack for him. Bateman murdered him.

Whether Kyle Amor plays on Saturday will be the biggest factor as to whether we can win or not. If he doesn't play, I don't see us having the firepower to down Leeds on their own midden. If he plays and in tandem with Walmesley gets us on the front foot early then we've got a chance.

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:12 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Your kidding? he is a great player, and having a great season, but he was absolutely shocking against Wigan.

I understand he had a better game against Widnes

I'm really starting to wonder whether you watched the Saints Wigan game!

Anyway, back on subject our centres will need to show huge improvement defensively if we are to contain Leeds. For some reason LEeds were reticent to shift the ball at Langree, I can't see them adopting the same approach at Headingley.

Re: Saints on Saturday : Wed Apr 23, 2014 1:27 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I'm really starting to wonder whether you watched the Saints Wigan game!

I must not have done, as I thought Lomax was really poor.

But then again, don't forget when I said Turner had a good game I was talking about attacking. When you pointed out defence I double checked to the stats, which as I said show he was the better of the Saints backs in this regards.

Personally, I think because of how good a player Lomax is, and home grown, Saints fans may well have a little of the rose tinted specs when it comes to his true performances. You are not alone, we have them here with Leeds players also.