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Re: Why ? Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:49 am  
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The standard line of the resolute defender of ANY party. To which the answer is, almost certainly.

Slight edit to your post here squire, but other than that I'll have to agree with you as your the voice of impartiality on all political matters.
Re: Why ? Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:14 am  
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chissitt wrote:
Will it be any easier under tuther lot? won't health care insurance take care of that?


In the same way it does in the US, perhaps (i.e. not really). There are substantial demographic issues that any party would face, but yes I honestly believe it’d be better under an government that wants to make public provision for universal healthcare based on need and free at the point of delivery, as far as is going to be feasible.


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They will if they are all lorry drivers.


But that is unlikely, innit? And in a few years those and a lot of other jobs seem likely to be lost to automation. That’s progress, but who shares in its benefits? Under the Tories my expectation is that a small number of people will benefit a great deal, with the outlook being bleaker for a much greater number.


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I'm quite shocked and surprised it's only the Tories that have a second job :shock:


It is massively disproportionately Tories. For example, among MPs who have worked as consultants in the last year, 30 are Conservatives, 1 is Labour and 1 is a Lib Dem. Even making allowances for there being more Tory MPs and their’s being the party in power, that is a big difference. Tbh, I don’t have a huge problem with second jobs per se. But they shouldn’t be selling access and influence.
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Re: Why ? Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:29 am  
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I am struggling with all this access to influence that Labour complain about - virtually the first thing they will do is repeal back the existing union legislation - who funds the labour party?
Re: Why ? Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:53 am  
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I am struggling with all this access to influence that Labour complain about - virtually the first thing they will do is repeal back the existing union legislation - who funds the labour party?

The unions represent labour. Influence might cause a Labour government to enact pro-worker legislation (tbh this stuff is so popular with the public it wouldn't need access or bribe).

The Tories are funded by hugely wealthy individuals who they are stuffing billions of pounds of government contracts to.

Even the most one-eyed could see a difference. Nice attempt at whatabouttery though.
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Re: Why ? Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:11 am  
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I didn’t see many Unions being granted PPE contracts via the government fast track for friends or by any means actually. To donate to the Labour Party a union member must actually agree to do so.
Re: Why ? Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:32 am  
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In the same way it does in the US, perhaps (i.e. not really). There are substantial demographic issues that any party would face, but yes I honestly believe it’d be better under an government that wants to make public provision for universal healthcare based on need and free at the point of delivery, as far as is going to be feasible.


But that is unlikely, innit? And in a few years those and a lot of other jobs seem likely to be lost to automation. That’s progress, but who shares in its benefits? Under the Tories my expectation is that a small number of people will benefit a great deal, with the outlook being bleaker for a much greater number.


It is massively disproportionately Tories. For example, among MPs who have worked as consultants in the last year, 30 are Conservatives, 1 is Labour and 1 is a Lib Dem. Even making allowances for there being more Tory MPs and their’s being the party in power, that is a big difference. Tbh, I don’t have a huge problem with second jobs per se. But they shouldn’t be selling access and influence.

Nice bit of goal post moving there mate. Are we talking about any second job or just consultants? Or does just counting consultants help with the Tory bashing?
Re: Why ? Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:26 pm  
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wotsupcas wrote:
Nice bit of goal post moving there mate. Are we talking about any second job or just consultants? Or does just counting consultants help with the Tory bashing?


No need for Tory bashing, thanks to the Clown Leader, their own infighting is on the increase.
The comedy value is the highlight of Boris's premiership.

As for goalpost moving, Boris is definitely the man for that particular job

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Re: Why ? Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:03 pm  
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No need for Tory bashing, thanks to the Clown Leader, their own infighting is on the increase.
The comedy value is the highlight of Boris's premiership.

As for goalpost moving, Boris is definitely the man for that particular job

Would you like a list to help you ?

Totally irrelevant reply to the question I asked but crack on if it keeps you happy.
And if there's no need for Tory bashing why on earth do you and your mates do it day after day after day after day....?
Re: Why ? Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:01 pm  
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Because they’re a pack of lying corrupt bar stewards and their voters aren’t much better.
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Re: Why ? Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:12 pm  
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wotsupcas wrote:
Totally irrelevant reply to the question I asked but crack on if it keeps you happy.
And if there's no need for Tory bashing why on earth do you and your mates do it day after day after day after day....?


It's all good sport isn't it.
I love how you called out others for goal post moving though, absolutely hilarious.

Perhaps you could tell us a tale about Peppa Pig ?
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