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Brexit Anyone? (part 5)
Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:44 am
Posted by Wanderer on Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:44 am
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... from part 4 ...


Sal Paradise wrote ...

Maybe I have missed something?


Mild Rover wrote ...

Don’t think so.

Here’s the key points from the manifesto.

https://vote.conservatives.com/our-plan

Get Brexit Done, obviously.

Increased spending on some public services, while controlling debt (‘controlling’ in this context may or may not be defined in the main document, I cba to check) and not raising income tax, VAT or National Insurance. No rain on bank holidays.

The point is, they haven’t said very much about how they want to go about ‘unleashing Britain’s potential’. Not only is there no real detail, there’s not even a broad vision that goes beyond ‘confidence’ and ‘rising to challenges’. Maybe we’ll identify synergies to achieve some efficiencies and create prosperity.

tbf, i’m fine with a degree of pragmatism and i’m not demanding a Johnsonian ideology. I’m just curious as to 1. What they’re going to do and how, and 2. Whether they know themselves yet.

What model do you think they should be looking at as the UK remodels itself?
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Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:12 pm
Posted by Sal Paradise on Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:12 pm
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I think we need a mixed economy that encourages wealth generation but also ensures essential public services are correctly funded. Yes there will always be wealth inequality and greater the average wealth the greater the differential - in the 70s there were very few Billionaires now there are thousands. We need to agree what are essential public services - NHS, schools, police - does the mail or transport fall into that - not for me neither do utilities. The economy needs to have the flexibility to subsidise/support growth industries without owning them.
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 5)
Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:20 pm
Posted by wrencat1873 on Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:20 pm
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Our flat lining ecconomy must be great comfort for everyone and listening to Jeremy Vine's guest at lunchtime, someone who predicted the 2007 economic meltdown, apparently we may be heading for something even worse.
Too much personal and commercial debt apparently, coupled with a stagnant ecconomy and boom !

Happy New Year and Happy Brexit to all.
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Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:21 pm
Posted by King Street Cat on Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:21 pm
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Sal Paradise wrote:
I think we need a mixed economy that encourages wealth generation but also ensures essential public services are correctly funded. Yes there will always be wealth inequality and greater the average wealth the greater the differential - in the 70s there were very few Billionaires now there are thousands. We need to agree what are essential public services - NHS, schools, police - does the mail or transport fall into that - not for me neither do utilities. The economy needs to have the flexibility to subsidise/support growth industries without owning them.


Gas, electric, water and sewage not essential?
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Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:03 pm
Posted by Sal Paradise on Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:03 pm
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King Street Cat wrote:
Gas, electric, water and sewage not essential?


These are easily supplied by the private sector as has been demonstrated since privatisation, seldom do we have supply issues which suggests the infrastructure is robust and pricing seems controlled - as such why take them into public ownership?
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 5)
Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:54 pm
Posted by Scarlet Pimpernell on Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:54 pm
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And none of them are owned by U.K. companies.
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Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:36 pm
Posted by Steph Curry on Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:36 pm
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wrencat1873 wrote:
Our flat lining ecconomy must be great comfort for everyone and listening to Jeremy Vine's guest at lunchtime, someone who predicted the 2007 economic meltdown, apparently we may be heading for something even worse.
Too much personal and commercial debt apparently, coupled with a stagnant ecconomy and boom !

Happy New Year and Happy Brexit to all.


Who cares. Less darkies coming into the country so it’s a massive win according to brexiteers
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Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 5)
Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:11 pm
Posted by wrencat1873 on Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:11 pm
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Steph Curry wrote:
Who cares. Less darkies coming into the country so it’s a massive win according to brexiteers


yes, but that isn't the next step, is it.
Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 5)
Post Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:20 pm
Posted by Scarlet Pimpernell on Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:20 pm
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They appear to believe that by continuing to repeat something it will come true. For example our request for free access for our financial sector which the EU say no but Javid continues to say they will.
We have received confirmation that border checks will take place, well that was a surprise who thought that would be the case.
I expect those that knew what they were voting for are in for many surprises of which most will be negative.
Re: Brexit Anyone? (part 5)
Post Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:00 am
Posted by Mild Rover on Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:00 am
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King Street Cat wrote:
Gas, electric, water and sewage not essential?


In principle I tend to think the public sector is for what we need and the private sector in for what we want.

On the other hand, food is essential and, without denying the sad reality of food poverty in the UK, nationalising farming and supermarkets might be a bit radical for me at this point in our economic development.
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