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Re: new conflict in middle east ?
Post Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:24 pm
Posted by bren2k on Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:24 pm
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Nothing to do with the 53million barrels of oil that Iran have just found under their feet then?


Correlation does not = causation; so I'm certain that the US interventions in various middle and near eastern states are nothing at all to do with oil; that would be outrageous.
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Post Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:35 pm
Posted by wrencat1873 on Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:35 pm
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bren2k wrote:
Correlation does not = causation; so I'm certain that the US interventions in various middle and near eastern states are nothing at all to do with oil; that would be outrageous.


Yeah, nothing in the Middle East is ever remotely connected to oil :oops:

The real concern is that, I dont remember troops being sent en masse, halfway round the world, to not get involved in conflict and just as we (the UK) have been dragged in before, we will most likely get dragged into this one.
Killing the Iranian military leader is one hell of a gamble and as you suggest, it's all about the "black gold".
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Post Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:43 pm
Posted by Sal Paradise on Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:43 pm
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bren2k wrote:
Correlation does not = causation; so I'm certain that the US interventions in various middle and near eastern states are nothing at all to do with oil; that would be outrageous.


I don't think this has anything to do with oil - this is a deflection exercise - but he is so dumb like George Bush he is only capable of dealing with one concept at a time.
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Post Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:16 pm
Posted by Scarlet Pimpernell on Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:16 pm
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I believe Trump will give Iran what they want by his action, which is the expulsion of foreign troops (except Russia) from many countries in the region. He did it with the Kurds who are now supported by Russia with them taking over the former US army facilities.
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Post Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:08 pm
Posted by Steph Curry on Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:08 pm
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America have killed far more innocent people than any terrorist group have. So who are the real terrorists?

Watched an amazing documentary recently “hunting isis” and they bombed an innocent family killing 18 family members and the remaining family member had to beg them for body bags to bury them all.

America f*** yeah. Can’t wait for the day Russia and China put them in their place
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Post Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:15 pm
Posted by IR80 on Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:15 pm
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He said: "Today let's recognise the horror that the families of those that died in the airliner travelling from Tehran to the Ukraine are suffering from now.

"Let's be clear there can be no excuses here. This is an appalling act and part of a whole pattern of appalling acts all across the region.

"There's no excuse for shooting down an airliner, there's no excuse for a targeted assassination by one state against another.

"All this does is set off a spiral of violence and danger which will lead us to yet more wars in the future."



go Jeremy, no we mean it, GO, traitor.
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Post Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:59 pm
Posted by Superblue on Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:59 pm
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I don’t recall such an outcry when the Americans shot down Iran Air flight 655, murdering 290 innocent souls.
And the Americans denied they were the murderers for a full two months before irrefutable evidence outed them as liars. :(
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Post Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:07 pm
Posted by Cronus on Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:07 pm
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I don’t recall such an outcry when the Americans shot down Iran Air flight 655, murdering 290 innocent souls.
And the Americans denied they were the murderers for a full two months before irrefutable evidence outed them as liars. :(

Perhaps we should just call it quits then, yes? :USTUPID:

It's interesting so many are blaming the US for creating an atmosphere of war. What they forget is that in the late 80s during the Iran-Iraq war, Iran was attacking shipping in the Hormuz Straits and had mined the area, almost sinking a US frigate, which led to Operation Praying Mantis and the US decimating Iranian forces in the area. There was a rather more an atmosphere of war in those days - there actually WAS a war, a major war.

You should read the background and details of IR655. While it was a monumental fck-up, it was hardly a snap judgement, trigger-happy moment.

Watching the left has reinforced my opinion of them in the last few days. Whataboutery on an epic level.
Plane goes down: "never an accident, definitely the US."
Questions around suspicious photos: "could be anything and probably planted by the US."
Already geo-located video emerges of the missile strike: "fake, definitely fake, a US fake."
Iran admits shooting it down: "errrm well the US did the same thing 32 years ago so it's still all their fault."

And of course Jeremy Corbyn - friend of Iran as we all know - was still calling it a crash this afternoon.
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Post Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:35 pm
Posted by Cronus on Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:35 pm
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America have killed far more innocent people than any terrorist group have. So who are the real terrorists?

Watched an amazing documentary recently “hunting isis” and they bombed an innocent family killing 18 family members and the remaining family member had to beg them for body bags to bury them all.

America f*** yeah. Can’t wait for the day Russia and China put them in their place

18? Dreadful, yes. But an accident, in a war zone. Let's remember ISIS killed, tortured and maimed many tens of thousands of innocent civilians, possibly more. And in some utterly horrific ways. For fun, mainly. This isn't whataboutery, this is putting things into perspective.

Perhaps you should find some unfiltered accounts of what ISIS were doing during their heyday. Maybe start with the Yazidis and the explore other accounts of their massacres, what their females endured. And the rest. If every person associated with ISIS was wiped from the face of this planet I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. The world is a better place without them.

Collateral civilian deaths in war are terrible but inevitable. Try the D-Day landings if you want some shocking numbers.
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Posted by Scarlet Pimpernell on Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:20 am
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Let us also not forget that it was the Americans who provided weapons to Iraq which they later used in the war against the USA and U.K. etc.
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