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Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:01 am
Posted by tigertot on Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:01 am
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IR80 wrote:
Ever been homeless? thought not.

I've never been an idiot either but I can sure recognise one.
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Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:28 am
Posted by tigertot on Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:28 am
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IR80 wrote:
but if you want to smoke crack and be a street drinker even The Salvation Army are reluctant to take you in, and rightly so.

Do you think people really want to be crack addicts & alcoholics? When you are in that position, without proper support, it is incredibly difficult to get out of, or even make rational decisions. You need a relatively stable home situation to solve mental health & addiction problems. The right wing state of Utah in the US reduced homelessness by 91% in 10 years by investing in housing & support. Because it was cheaper than the relentless welfare cycle & costs of dealing with the homeless. You might also think it is morally right in the richest countries in the world to do this. But unless you deal with the causes of the addictions & illnesses the problem won't go away, as Utah is now finding.
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Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:28 am
Posted by IR80 on Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:28 am
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tigertot wrote:
I've never been an idiot either but I can sure recognise one.

so, I don't share your jaded left wing opinion, therefore I am an idiot?

always nice to speak to someone with an open mind.
Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:32 am
Posted by tigertot on Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:32 am
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IR80 wrote:
so, I don't share your jaded left wing opinion, therefore I am an idiot?

always nice to speak to someone with an open mind.

You suggested you had to suffer from a problem to be able to understand it. Which only an idiot would.
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Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:37 am
Posted by Bullseye on Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:37 am
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Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:45 am
Posted by IR80 on Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:45 am
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Bullseye wrote:
Leave him he's not worth it.

not worth it because I have a different opinion?

considering your advanced years you have a very childish outlook.
Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:57 am
Posted by wrencat1873 on Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:57 am
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IR80 wrote:
so, I don't share your jaded left wing opinion, therefore I am an idiot?

always nice to speak to someone with an open mind.


I'll take "jaded left wing" over bigoted right wing all day long.
Homelessness is a seriously complicated issue and has been prevalent under Labour and the Tories but, even you should recognise that the problemis getting worse under this government.
The last prime minister said that she would help the J.A.M.S. (just about managing) but instead, just about every social service was cut to the bone and I would suggest that although far from being the only reason, this is the main reason for such an increase in numbers.
Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:22 pm
Posted by IR80 on Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:22 pm
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wrencat1873 wrote:
I'll take "jaded left wing" over bigoted right wing all day long.
Homelessness is a seriously complicated issue and has been prevalent under Labour and the Tories but, even you should recognise that the problemis getting worse under this government.
The last prime minister said that she would help the J.A.M.S. (just about managing) but instead, just about every social service was cut to the bone and I would suggest that although far from being the only reason, this is the main reason for such an increase in numbers.

But that is my point, services are available if people engage with them. I was homeless (albeit very briefly), 6 night rough sleeping, 4 nights in a hostel, I engaged the relevant services and played by the rules.
Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:39 pm
Posted by tigertot on Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:39 pm
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IR80 wrote:
But that is my point, services are available if people engage with them. I was homeless (albeit very briefly), 6 night rough sleeping, 4 nights in a hostel, I engaged the relevant services and played by the rules.

Were you a crack addict?
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Re: Homelessness
Post Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:41 pm
Posted by IR80 on Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:41 pm
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tigertot wrote:
Were you a crack addict?


no, nor a street drinker, my experience very much opened my eyes to some people's reality of homelessness.
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